GOG Mafia #75 - Observer thread

[The GOGFather]

This is the Observer thread for GOG Mafia #75

Please don't post any direct spoilers. Unless you figure out how to add spoiler tags here.

For all the future readers:
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[carradice]

Hullo there! It was good to have time to say my goodbies, lol
One full day to go and yet that rush to hammer XD

[carradice]

The board ate my post now. Anyway, I mistook Hyper for Cadaver at the end lol. I was just in a rush with lots of posts-baits to reply. I had barely time enough to focus on the more neutral inquiries and the three boons.
Also, someone (Dedo?) commented that Hyper had been recovering. I hope they were not too tired. Hopefully they enjoy the rest of the game

[The GOGFather]

Welcome Carradice.

Really sorry you got outed Day 1, and in such a manner. Was looking forward to having you back. Hopefully we'll join next game too.

[carradice]

Well, yes, it sucks bollocks. I will need to reflect upon it. Thank you.

Some assorted thoughts of no special importance:

Lift voting over a joke is totally in character. Still, with disregard for the context and the situation, and in the end the coin fell on the side of favoring the most vocal minority (who really had nothing).

Powers spice up the game in so many ways. Appart from the direct tactical options, they give scum something to figure out, and they give Town something to consider that should not be talked about openly. This is fun.

Was Pooka signalling that he had a power and that was his reason for his previous lurking? He used the word 'notorious' and remarked it. It made me think, even if Yogsloth's analysis fit very well. Pooka's later actions fit even better with being mafia. He hammered before anyone could take back their votes, with still one day to go, before anyone could get anything about from my last posts. Then, from language, his apologies were totally fake Pooka. Mind, he does not need to be mafia, but he hammered in a hurry with one full day to go.

Kudos to Dedo and Yogsloth for at least considering the boons, and to Micro for chiming in and sharing very good jokes in pictures. We used to smile when GR gave away breadcrumbs the size of small factories (and we got them), but this time I felt that I was sowing breadcrumbs the size of large watermelons and still nothing, apparently. There must be a middle "size" that makes them evident for those really caring to look. Anyway the fact that I was giving away these boons should have alerted some of the crew: What could posibly be in them, appart from the real content that was being shared? Possibly, with a few hours more someone might have come up with something. But Pooka made sure it did not happen. Anyway, probably people did not care because they were already thinking that it would not change the way they were voting.

It might be fun that mafia actually got something out of the boons, at least their existence, and hurried up. But it is a bit of wishful thinking. Still, knowing might help to callibrate if they were clear enough or not. Maybe someone solved them during N1. Well, what would be the point now lol

Did Pooka consider the heat he would be getting from hammering that way? He had some credit for not joining the successful wagon. He might have played against some of them. Still might want to give it a try.

Never got the fire drill reference. Sounds like Police Academy, or some comedy like that.

[carradice]

Also, why did people have to wait for the result of a wagon in order to analyze it? It was a binary option (appart from the odd neutral, if there was any). Being a binary option, it was easy no analyze both results even before confirmation. That analysis might have helped people drawing conclusions already (right or wrong). Hypotheses 1 and 2. That is it. Actually people were suggested to do that and did not.

[The GOGFather]

Fire drill
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_fire_drill

Chaotic last minute voting.

(Though I have to say it fits what happened here too).

It's still easier to analyse a wagon if you know the person's faction. Much less what-ifs.

Whom would you have watched if you were alive?

[carradice]

Thanks for making that clear (fire drill).

For the watching, if I had survived I would have more information: one card flipped up and some fast reactions. However, I was considering either towniness or powers. No hint of powers except from Pooka (if I got his signalling, either false or not), also maybe Catte. For a minute I wondered Hyper. For a while I tried to provide hints of Hyper having a power, but surely no one got or bought them? If they had reacted appropiately, then Watch them in case scum landed there the N1 NK),  For townie-like, or at least less scummy, there are several to choose. So, analysis.

Not the newbies
7. maxleod
8. bucktoothgamer

Not those that appear somewhat scummy or in a bad posture before the general public:

Not Pooka (close to get out on D1 and then hurried to hammer and provided a bad excuse)
Not Yogsloth (managing to appear just scummy enough as to avoid the NK)
Not Gogtrial (reinforced from the outed on D1 having flipped Town? still had been somewhat notorious)
Not Dessimu (had been labelled as townie by some but still vocal against the wrong outing, which could be played against them, maybe; plus, flawed logic that might be under scrutiny on D2; example, the post that impressed Maxleod so much: If I was scum, and there was only two other mafiosos, then one of each would be on each wagon, that is basic; plus, the wagon that grew too fast, too son, was the Watcher's)

Now the rest:

I did not get hints of powers other than maybe from (maybe) Pooka. Catte was evasive.

Micro, Joe, had had wagons and that might return

The rest of the people in the wrong wagon would have that malus against them:

1. Lifthrasil
3. ettac orrazib si eman ym
10. Bookwyrm627
12. HypersomniacLive (at first I thought they were shaky because of a power, or being mafia; much later, the impression was that maybe they were struggling with the game because of having little time, being tired, or both; that might have been a reason for clinging to a first impression--these are just impressions, might be mightlily wrong)
6. Cadaver

Then we have someone who seemed not too scummy and was not in the wrong wagon

2. dedoporno

Alternatives would be, in this order: Lift (quite in character even if wrong), Catte (a longer shot).

If mafia eventually reads this, I hope they have some fun with my mistakes :)

[The GOGFather]

So you Watch dedo?

Would you like the result for that? I can add spoiler tags.

[carradice]

Day 2 started

I do not get that Maxleod got the the NK1. He is a newbie. Maybe NK was deflected from someone else.

At least Maxleod can still participate in the game. Good for them.

[carradice]

Nice! That would be great with the spoiler tags, hehe. Sort of "what if". Thank you!

[The GOGFather]

Yeah, it means we have to wait till we get someone else here...

... or will they get Stumped too?


Carradice watches dedo spoiler

SPOILER: Click to show

Result = dedo was visited by yogsloth

[carradice]

Thinking overnight (before reading the spoiler), if there was s deflection, since it surely was not a random one (as no random elements whatsoever appear in the games? GOGFather, surely you might confirm this at least, maybe?), why doing so towards Maxleod. Unless it was from someone who did not care much about giving newbies the chance of surviving until D2. It might that someone with the adequate PR followed a similar reasonment as the one in the one from a few posts above and decided to protect Dedo, using the deflection towards Maxleod as a verification test, as Max apparently was an unexpected target for a regular NK. In that case, the protecting player will have Dedo as a sort of confirmed townie now.

If it was not a deflection, and probably it was not, one might think that mafia considered how to best adapt to the Stumping mechanic. It does not leave the player out of the game after all, and a confirmed townie with experience might carry weight in discussions, if they were to stay active in the game. Also with the Stumping the newbie is not completely out of the game. So, yes, Maxleod getting the NK makes some sense, yet I would have allowed them to have full access to the game on D2. Max's NK reinforces Yogs as well, intendedly or not.

Max post confirms that the stumping thing might be something the Mafia are saddled with. OR the deflection "removes strength" of the NK and just stumps (fancy thinking).
www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post480
Actually with the Stumping, it makes a lot of sense to leave seasoned players unconfirmed as Town, if they will still have a voice. Still, a newbie etc.

Also, Dedo still looks reasonably townie. Same with Lift (a tad less since he did not give out much of himself on D1 appart from voting over a very mild joke and having Micro as his best option... not that helpful but in character). Then, if Yogsloth was to flip wolf, he is at the top of his game, period.

Then let us see how the watch went... *reads the spoiler*

No comment on the night watch.

[The GOGFather]

Apr 22, 2022 10:40:24 GMT carradice said:

If it was not a deflection, and probably it was not, one might think that mafia considered how to best adapt to the Stumping mechanic. It does not leave the player out of the game after all, and a confirmed townie with experience might carry weight in discussions, if they were to stay active in the game. Also with the Stumping the newbie is not completely out of the game. So, yes, Maxleod getting the NK makes some sense, yet I would have allowed them to have full access to the game on D2. Max's NK reinforces Yogs as well, intendedly or not.

Max post confirms that the stumping thing might be something the Mafia are saddled with. OR the deflection "removes strength" of the NK and just stumps (fancy thinking).
www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post480
Actually with the Stumping, it makes a lot of sense to leave seasoned players unconfirmed as Town, if they will still have a voice. Still, a newbie etc.

This is a very interesting thought on why maxleod was killed.

[carradice]

Now, some comments on the first posts of D2


Too bad to hear that Yogsloth has covid again. Wishing him a speedily recovery.


Pooka manages to appear scummy as hell. Apparently he hopes to brave the D2 out by being cheeky and acting as if nothing had happened. Maybe he succeeds.

Also, as expected, a few people appears to not have learned anything from D1. Not even mentions of Pooka not allowing for a possible fullclaim. A fulclaim was not going to happen, but, accordingly to Pooka, he did not care for allowing one. No one mentions that so far.


Dessimu #483https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post483
Apparently they cannot stop beating the dead horse lol. Dares to talk about anti town play. Classic offender-as-offended: Put the blame of their actions on the victim. Plus the tone is not a kind one, alas. Even if I was mafia I would refuse to fight with these arms. Hard to make any sense of this post and others from a logical or human perspective (but maybe expectations should be curbed down). It is not just deeply flawed logic, it is that this post seem to come from a place uncomprehensible to this player without (possibly) the aid of strong dope (will pass) (1) (2)

Dedoporno #480 www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post480
There are a few remarks in this post that really not fit reality as stated. Others do. It has been two years since my last game. I talk from memory now but IIRC I only played once with Dedoporno (if it was two I do not remember now).




(1) E.g. the Plateau of Leng or some other place you try not to peek at while you ride on a Byakhee while high on space hydromiel.[/div]

(2) But maybe it is just teenage wasteland.

[carradice]

Apr 22, 2022 11:04:18 GMT The GOGFather said:

Apr 22, 2022 10:40:24 GMT carradice said:

If it was not a deflection, and probably it was not, one might think that mafia considered how to best adapt to the Stumping mechanic. It does not leave the player out of the game after all, and a confirmed townie with experience might carry weight in discussions, if they were to stay active in the game. Also with the Stumping the newbie is not completely out of the game. So, yes, Maxleod getting the NK makes some sense, yet I would have allowed them to have full access to the game on D2. Max's NK reinforces Yogs as well, intendedly or not.

Max post confirms that the stumping thing might be something the Mafia are saddled with. OR the deflection "removes strength" of the NK and just stumps (fancy thinking).
www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post480
Actually with the Stumping, it makes a lot of sense to leave seasoned players unconfirmed as Town, if they will still have a voice. Still, a newbie etc.

This is a very interesting thought on why maxleod was killed.

Thank you! It might seem that mafia gave this a thought and adapted.

Edit: Also it might help making the endgame more interesting.

[carradice]

Gogtrial #502

www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post502

The fact that I might be signalling was already a message itself.

Surprised that someone fails to realize that PR claims help scum a lot. Fullclaiming is a tactical option, not a must. In any case, why Gogtrial does not realize that I had really no time for claiming? I managed to squeeze a post just by chance before Pooka hammered just one minute afterwards, allegedly without even reading my last "alive" post.

Edit: Even knowing that I had a PR he cannot understand that I was signalling precisely that? lol

[carradice]

Lift
www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post499
Not nice that I did not claim? I was hammered one day early by someone who had not read my last post... Full claiming openly might have been the very last resource.

Yes I wanted to give some time to people to get that there was a PR , and that is what was in the "boons" (appart from the real obvious content). With a chance that some townie realized and changed their vote without giving the real reason, thus with the chance of mafia being lazy and not knowing about the PR. Even if the clues were not found, someone might have realized the intention of very obviously signalling. Maybe some scum did? Maybe some in Town realized that but did not dare to mention openly?

With a day to go, I wanted people to have the chance to realize the reason for my last efforts, but not only was it cut short, after a few real days, people seemingly did not get it, nor those wrong seem to have learned anything of their mistakes *shrugs*

[carradice]

Lift

www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post494

>>Of course voting Carradice turned out to be a mistake. However, given the information at the time, I stand by my decision to prefer voting Carradice.

Information being a mild ironical remark, not even a joke. Sure pal.

[The GOGFather]

Got to say, good to see the observation chat alive. Wonder if the next kill will be stumped too or join us here.
(The stump mechanic is deterministic, but I won't soil what's it here).

[carradice]

Thanks for confirming that the stump mechanic is deterministic! I would not have expected otherwise, hehe. Also, it is good to keep surprised for the end.

It can be made a mechanic of the NKr or of a protector (preservator) or of the target (stumps instead of disappearing), but it might be made a property of the space, thinking in a fancy way: an algorithm involving a mathematical sucession deciding who gets stumped and who does not, although if no one knows beforehand, it would be too unpredictable. Yet if some of the players know, such as mafia, it would be a known factor and they might try to adapt. In any case, it is nice to see new things in the games.

***

Nice post from HyperSomniacLive
www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post503
The kind of observation that was to be expected from townies. The player struggling with keeping updated actually does it, while some of the others allow themselves to be distracted (or pretend to).

>>
PookaMustard: Yes, I will. That's the truth. If you want to think it's some sort of elaborate Mafia ploy then you might wanna answer this: how am I going to benefit by getting myself into a "famous accidental hammer" when I already had every reason to deliberately go for the hammer?

Yes, if I saw the contents of Page 9, I would've still hammered.
Talk of accidental or deliberate hammer shifts the discussion away from the actual benefit for you. By hammering at the time you did, you cut D1 short preventing the status of wagons to (potentially) change in the next 24 hours we had left. Yes, yes, it's all part of self-preservation. But cutting Days short and thus gagging Town is only in mafia's best interest.

And I won't buy a "but D1 sucks and I wanted it over" argument; even if you're Town, you don't have the right or privilege to decide when a Day ends for the rest of us; I was still catching up, had several posts to go through, and never got the chance to share some thoughts as I was caught totally off guard by the hammer.

Lifthrasil: [...] If Carradice flips neutral lyncher ... gogtrial would be his lynchee.[...]
Why did you entertain this? And why would such a flip make gogtrial34987 their Lynchee?
>>

On spot about Pooka and Lift. I wonder if, having had more time on D1, Hyper might have eventually switched to Pooka. Also, Hyper realizes that the hammering cut any possibility of a claim. I wonder if Pooka had realized that I was signalling somehow and was worried that anyone might switch because of that (or even finding out some meaning, heh).

Another nice post from Hyper here:
www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post506

I wonder why he does not uncover Dessimu's flawed logic: If suppossedly I was scum, then the other two mafiosos would forcefully spread, not concentrate. Dessimu disregarded basic mafia behaviour yet pontificates and no one calls the bull?

[carradice]

Does Lift complain about a lack of fullclaim in order that we Look At hiM who Is So Town (tm)? If that is so, I would be glad that he did not do so on yours truly: It was Pooka's swift quickhammering who made that impossible. Then, some people said that it was OK, that they would not have switched anyway... Those do not consider a fulclaim either? Lack of imagination or trying to make Pooka look less bad without risk?

[carradice]

Lift whot

www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post515
>>
Lifthrasil: [...] If Carradice flips neutral lyncher ... gogtrial would be his lynchee.[...]
HypersomniacLive: Why did you entertain this? And why would such a flip make gogtrial34987 their Lynchee?

Because Carradice accused gogtrial of being his Condemner. Which is New-Speak for Lyncher. After gogtrial publicly stated that they were in one Team. ... Which could have been a slip by gogtrial, if Carradice would have flipped scum. Or could have been an attempt at getting Carradice lynched ... but we would know by now if Carradice had beend Condemned (Lynchee).
>>

Never did so.

[carradice]

Book
www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post516

Dismisses Pooka's actions and tries to throw shade over Cadaver. Either clumsy mafia or... nevermind. Better listen to some good music
youtu.be/ldXdnZtTWp8
Had the chance to be in a concert where Ian Anderson and his band played this album and the sequel in full, a few years ago. Good stuff.


BTW @gogfather is there a guide for markup of text in the forum?

[The GOGFather]

Yes, I'm very against any random elements after the game starts (e.g. Roles which do something randomly).

Apr 22, 2022 16:48:11 GMT carradice said:

BTW @gogfather is there a guide for markup of text in the forum?

I don't know. Couldn't find myself. I just used the icons on top, and google for things like spoiler tags.

"Because Carradice accused gogtrial of being his Condemner. Which is New-Speak for Lyncher. After gogtrial publicly stated that they were in one Team. ... Which could have been a slip by gogtrial, if Carradice would have flipped scum. Or could have been an attempt at getting Carradice lynched ... but we would know by now if Carradice had beend Condemned (Lynchee)."

I agree that this is not true and doesn't even make logical sense if it were.

[carradice]

@gogfather: thank you for the hint on the markup.

Just for fun: after reading this post form Lifthrasil
www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post562
it seemed reasonable that he is mafia with Pooka.

Some of the reasons are: he gave a good pass to Pooka on D1 while focused on Micro. He pretends he pays attention to detail but did not check the timestamps of the last posts, especially my last two "alive" posts and the Pooka's hammering post. On D2 he remembered my exchange with Gogtrial the other way round, while suppossedly that had been the basis for his vote on D1. Lastly, Pooka on D2 starts talking about accepting to get yeeted out on D2 and joining the observer thread. This fits scum!Pooka and scum!Lifthrasil having agreed to consider Pooka's role amortized and try to give scum!Lifthrasil some Town cred by bussing him on D2. Either with DayScumChat or not, but probably with.

Maybe, possible scummates: Book, Gogtrial (1). Based on their overreactions and on how Gogtrial voted and the content and tone of Gogtrial's posts: he and Pooka being the reluctant ones to vote on the leading wagon, while Book happily did so and Lift joined, after showing a strong  preference for voting Micro. This would make three scum in a wagon of 8, which seems like too much, yet Book mimicked HSL and had written even less, and Lift might hope to gain Town cred for bussing Pooka later, and Pooka was already in the spotlight. The wagon on Micro did not get traction and they were faced with supporting Pooka or allowing him to fall.

Also, Pooka flipping scum would give Yogsloth lots of Town cred, while Lift appears opportunistic and a tactical move since Pooka seemingly played on D1 to survive and got caught by Yogsloth and others leaned against the too-easy survival tactic of lurking.

pooka: No need to apologize, man!! You did your best and might have passed with the lurking and coasting on D1 if not for Yogsloth. You played honourably, and were a good chap at all times.

Apparently Joe (well done) and others have started to entertain the idea of Pooka+Lift. It is nice to see that people are thinking and trying to solve the game (or being good mafia, heh).

I will try to check how to add spoilers to comment on the N1 Watch. Besides, in next post I will make a quick summary of the tactical options and decisions at the end of D1, for those who still had not figured those out themselves.

(1) This is considering that both Hyper and Dessimu are not scum in this game.

[carradice]

LAST ACTIONS ON DAY 1

Posted here for the record, even if hardly anyone will bother to read this thread after the game is finished (appart from the yeeted, maybe).

IIRC (will not bother to check now): Hyper, Book, Dessimu, those were not going to change their votes, no matter what. Then, when Cadaver joined, he was going to join the wagon from the first minute. Catte had been a surprise. So that made 5.

Then, Lift's messages felt like trying to justify a vote on the same wagon. Pooka would vote to save himself. So at L-3 it was as good as L-1. Also, I heavily expected the other newbie, Maxleod, to go with the most vocal minority, no matter what wagon (what in reality happened). So at L-3 it was as good as wagon complete. I wrote some things that I wanted said at the moment, since the situation was already volatile and I might miss the last votes (as it almost happened later).

Also I expected Pooka to quickhammer as soon as he had the chance (which happened).

Considering this, in the little time that I had I tried to engage with the people whose vote might fall on either wagon (apparently): Lift, Gogtrial, Joe, Catte (but he did not address me except once IIRC) etc. I never expected the first four to change their vote because of their voting pattern and content.

Thence the decision of fullclaiming through messages that people caring might read. The objective was trying to switch some of the non-scum on the leading wagon as well as trying to prevent some of the rest from joining. This in order to save the day without a fullclaim, to Town's profit.

The three boons conspicuously addressed to Micro dealing with matters of literature, music and the natural world contained also my role (PR) in the game, for anyone who cared to look (or listen... Dedoporno, did you *really* listened to the part right after the short bass line?). I have to say that I was worried that the hidden content was too apparent. Yogsloth and Dedoporno on Pooka's wagon, wondered openly. Possibly they or others might have come up with something, had they had one more day (maybe).

Also, as Marshall McLuhan might have put it, the medium was a message by itself: Even people who did not actually figure out the exact role might realize that I was trying to signal something, maybe a role. This might encourage looking further or maybe even direct action (switching or actively posturing against voting for the leading wagon).

There were days to go so there was still a good chance that someone might understand the message, completely or partially.

On the day before the last, I was reading the thread in the hope of a change, then writing. Before sending, I refreshed the thread and saw Maxleod's vote. I added a last sentence commenting, hit send and started working on the following post inmediately.

If I had read Pooka correctly, he was going to quickhammer no matter the fullclaim. He might even pretend that he had missed the last posts (what really happened). So, the only chance was having someone else retract their vote for the time being. People who were not scum, therefore interested in getting the best result for Town, might do so automatically to prevent quickhammering (but for Maxleod who did not realize what he had done). There was no risk at all of having a no-yeeting Day.

Gogtrial had asked for a claim WITHOUT retracting the vote. That felt like bad play or, most likely because of his behaviour and content, a scummy thing to do. He was not going to change his vote, then.

I wrote very fast a last post knowing that it was 1 of two possibilities:

1. Pooka quickhammers, possibly ninja-ing my post (arguably that would be a scummy thing to do unless he had a PR as a townie, and possibly even so?--I would like to hear your opinions on this one).
2. Someone else realized the situation and retracted their vote automatically.

(1) made fullclaiming futile (as it really happened). (2) made fullclaiming not only innecesary but harmful to Town.

Therefore I bet on showing that I was active in the thread and NOT fullclaiming since there was ONE FULL DAY to go IF and only IF Pooka did not quickhammer regardless of what I posted. That way I was giving townies ONE MORE DAY to figure out the signals, and THEN, like about 3-6 hours before the end of D1, I would have fullclaimed IF no one had switched or influenced others to switch wagon.

Again, the alternative was either futile (as it was proved later) or innecessary for at least one day more.

Check the timestamps. He almost ninja-ed me (1 minute), and he himself sustained that he had not read the last posts. I included a sort of farewell as I expected not to be able to write anymore in the thread after the hammer. The mod explained that I could for a short while. I used that time to address Pooka somewhat ironically as he had acted as expected. Also to let some people (naming Hyper and Cadaver but that being extensive to others) know that they had not been ignored, I just had to make the best use of the limited time available.

This is an explanation for those who feel curious and still did not figure this out by themselves. Those who critizised this player in harsh tones when I could not reply can eat their hearts and die. Kudos to HyperSomniacLive for decently arguing that this was a matter for post-game debate when I could participate.

[carradice]

Pooka #461

www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post641

The logic flaw is that Pooka already sustained that he would have hammered either way. Meaning that he preferred to have a yeeting one full day before the end of Day 1, instead of waiting for a full claim. Thence it was the same if he had hammered accidentally or not. He has been rather successfully deviating the discussion towards the fact of the hammering being accidental or not.

Scum!Pooka might want to provide distance to scum!Lift in order to help the surviving scum when the yeeted (most likely Pooka) flips.

If Pooka is losing motivation, as the outcome looks grim for him, it is nice to see that he still moves to try to save what he can.

[carradice]

Yogsloth #630 giving general views
www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post630

Spot on about lurkers. If you generally give them a pass, eventually most people start doing so. Makes the game harder to solve and more tedious. Going after the lurkers encourages participation.

Possibly Pooka's flip might change this?

Some people in the current game have expressed the belief, explicitly or implicitly, that it is better to yeet someone who actually is more active. They do not know what they are doing, IMHO. Like, getting it the other way round. Making it, not only easier for scum, but also a worse game as well. Fortunately not everyone thinks like that.

Question to the knowing

In GOG Forum Mafia, apparently lurkers are given a pass with the reasoning that "most often than not they are not mafia". But that can be said of any subset of players.

Is this leniency peculiar of GOG Mafia? Or in other places like, say, MU people chase them more often?

(Not that much people will to read this, probably, but...)

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Concerning the night watch,

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It might be easy to imagine that Yogs was protecting Dedoporno after arriving to a similar conclusion, that Dedo was already the most towny and therefore a good target for scum, and a sound objective for protection and avoiding a NK. But the nature of the stubbing might have forced mafia to adapt their strategy as commented before: trying not to confirm veteran players that still can talk as townies. Although they would be less dangerous if they somehow lost interest in the game.

It is interesting to see how a twist can make that things start happening in different ways from those of the well trodden path.