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Post by carradice on May 11, 2022 17:43:28 GMT
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 8:05:40 GMT
Catte appears as a Cassandra, no one pays attention to his analysis as he is beaten in his rear side by his previous lurking in the first half of the game.
However, mafia is trying other targets since Catte's wagon did not happen fast.
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 8:36:57 GMT
I can understand Lift regardless of alignment. The first part of the week was the same for me.
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 8:42:18 GMT
Dedoporno www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post1439A particular problem with stumps: Most people take time to move from their first impressions. Some never do. But stumps even cease to read the thread, and yet they still try to influence the game. In this regard they can be a poisoned gift. Catte's posts have been good in the last days, and people should at least consider them, while the pass that some are getting ought to be questioned, at least.
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 9:42:04 GMT
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 12:07:07 GMT
Cadaver might well end up helping to make Catte yeeted, making Town lose this game, I think.
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Post by The GOGFather on May 12, 2022 12:38:16 GMT
<J> Well, when I was scum with Yog in mine and your first game he dealt an interesting advice I'm going to paraphrase here: Do not bother with things like that. Do not care for silly dogmas like "don't be third in a wagon", "don't enter a wagon if your own teammate is in it", "don't hammer a townie because you will be scrutinized", et cetera. Obeying those tenets might turn into scumtells against you if you have all the reasons to vote someone but doesn't do it. If you see scummy actions you should act exactly like townie!you would. If town!you would be third in someone's wagon why should scum!you back away from it? Point to whatever looks scummy, vote, create a wagon if there isn't one, go for the throat. (If the player who made the mistake happens to be a scummate you might try to back down a little.) If the mark is town and eats the lynch, so what? You had a good townie reason to do it. You have posts written by you and the mark to back you up and show how it was the townie thing to do. If it was a scummate instead you get the towncred that might haul you to the enviable position of being considered the most townread player. I think it's good advice, but it has to be adapted to one's playstyle of course. It at least makes you blend much better as scum. That said, just because scum!Yog would act that way does not mean the whole scumteam (regardless of whether Yog is in it) would do too. So Yog's supposition that scum must have dogpiled Micro would look questionable to me.
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 18:40:48 GMT
<J> That said, just because scum!Yog would act that way does not mean the whole scumteam (regardless of whether Yog is in it) would do too. So Yog's supposition that scum must have dogpiled Micro would look questionable to me. Agreed! It sounded very fake to me as well!
Now, check this for the laughts Cadaver "I would call it a "ZFR's way of screwing Town roles' names"."
Can't Cadaver see that this is a protection for Town against scum that has investigative PR and EXPECT run-of-the-mill PR concepts? But it is ZFR and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition XD (which is so refreshing)
Now wait for another game with something like a... er, lumberjack or engineer, see people pulling their own hair in dispear as they cannot find the role in the sacrosanct wiki XD
People, hear, hear the gospell XD What does the versicle, I mean the line said XD
OTOH, Dessimu's unprompted claim fits with the sense of entitlement that he has been boasting since D1. Although if true it has been used poorly, even at claiming with no reason. Also I do not believe it. He has proved that he does not know what he is doing, but at this point I think again that this is true and ALSO that he is scum, and possibly Yogs dictated roles that fitted the tone of the Watcher and the 3-shot Tracker. Possibly another scum will say Follower? In this that would be nice from Yogsloth as he would be avoiding the expected move of all scum claiming VT, and all that makes for a better challenge.
Also, a mafia Voyeur might make more sense than a town Voyeur in this game, so maybe there is a town follower and the move looks for his sympathy. Lift aped Dessimu's move with another unprompted claim and a rather ilogical record of actions. Looks like mafia is stepping forward!
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 18:41:59 GMT
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 18:55:04 GMT
Gogtrial on the Watcher flip www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post1490Claiming openly meant a practically sure NK and losing the PR for good. Instead I made a big effort in getting across a precise hidden claim for townies that looked into it. Man, Mike Oldfield said THREE TIMES the EXACT role, and I wrote THREE TIMES the role in each post, I prominently wrote that I was TELLING THREE TIMES in THREE POSTS. Even the expression "I tell you three times" has its own meaning and reference. Someone said that he had heard the music track, no they did not or did not understand what Mike said. Also there were other assorted clues that nobody found *shrugs*. From group dynamics once that the three first plus catte joined (and briefly Buck as well but it was already giving momentum to the wagon) I did know that Cadaver and eventually Lift would join, that would be five and a leading wagon. Pooka, whom I regarded as townie, would preserve himself, tha would make L-1 eventually, and I expected the other newbie to join the most vocal wagon, as it happened. So it was easy to see where things were going since the first four votes. Thence the effort on the breadcrumb. Ta-da! I wanted the one day more for people to read into that, but Pooka cut that short one full day before time and without notification *shrugs*. If you read this and feel curious about the rest of the clues in those three posts, feel free to send me a private message ;)
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 18:57:41 GMT
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Post by carradice on May 12, 2022 19:08:49 GMT
OK I am taking a break from commenting as people are stuck now. I might return, maybe.
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Post by The GOGFather on May 13, 2022 17:54:23 GMT
<J> Town finally got one of the scum. And one useful PR, to boot. I am curious what will happen now that Lift flipped scum. The townies in there have 4 days worth of material to work with when they try to analyze and figure out who are his teammates. Thoughts anyone?
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Post by The GOGFather on May 14, 2022 17:02:04 GMT
I predict: Town will almost manage a comeback then screw up royally.
Thanks for thd commentary here, Carradice. Too bad not many people joined.
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Post by The GOGFather on May 17, 2022 2:19:17 GMT
Thanks for thd commentary here, Carradice. Too bad not many people joined. <joppo> Yeah, it's an unfortunate side effect of the stumping. The game continued lively at the price that this thread was kept fed only by Carradice and a very busy Pooka. Speaking of which, I hope HSL is getting better. He might even want to join in commentary before the game is over.
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Post by carradice on May 17, 2022 13:47:38 GMT
You are welcome. I guess that some commentary is better than no commentary at all :) It was interesting that, in this thread, both Pooka and myself separately got Yogsloth in the scum field. I am counting Dessimu as scum as well, and Catte as town. Maybe be wrong but it looks fine that way. Now there are more data but also we can expect a change of strategy: Before yeeting Lift, Yogs could be expected to aim for a clean win, with all scum surviving. Now that Lift is done with, it is more likely that they come to bussing if required, but whom to bus? Yogs and Dessimu have been ratherlinked now because of Dessimu, who instead of distancing achieved the opposite. I expected Lift to flip scum for a variety of reasons. For the current game-day I expected that people picked on: the "dance" between Yogsloth and Dessimu where it started with a loud denounce of Yogsloth that ended up in both of them voting for Lift, with no consecuence at all, and then both were not voting for Lift when Lifthrasil got yeeted in the last game-day. Also how Lift aped the unprompted claim by Dessimu. Those bits at least link the three of them and were impossible to miss in the game thread. Then Dessimu has his own merits to be considered scum. Yogsloth has been sliding from a confident townie way of expressing himself to cheeky mafia more and more. This is something that I have seen before: how after a good beginning scum players change their language in the thread, especially after after a game-night and the flip before that. This is circumstancial but even if people do not realize this conciously, some may notice it subconciously and have a change of "feeling" or general impression towards said scum player X (Yogsloth and Dessimu). The fourth mafia player might be more tricky. It depends on whether mafia respected the guerrilla rule of spreading as much as possible in the wagons. Were three of them or only two in mine? Same in Pooka's? What about Micro. Was there any scum in Lift's? These are the final vote counts: Hypothesis 1: No more thatn 2 scum in one wagon. Hypothesis 2: Three in one wagon. Let us consider that Yogloth, Lift and Dessimu are scum together and Catte is not scum. Wagon on D1: H1 might mean Joe, gogtrial, Bucktooth H2 might mean it is Bookwyrm. Assuming that Dessimu is scum and Catte is not. D2: H1 might mean it is Bookwyrm. But it requires D1-H1 (three scum on the wagon) and especially two scum among the first three voters in D1 wagon (I expected 1 only out of three from cautious mafia but Dessimu was not that experienced, then Lift joined later trying to appear as an exagerated version of his townie self). H2 might mean Joe, Bucktooth. D3 is interesting (Micro's wagon) Assuming Yogsloth, Lift, Dessimu, then we have two on the wagon: gogtrial(1075), Joe(1080), Lift(1094), ettac(1102), bucktooth(1104), Bookwrym(1166) One is Lift, the others... Removing Catte, gogtrial, Joe, bucktooth, Bookwrym D4 H0 No scum on Lift's wagon (who flipped scum) H1 One scum on Lift's wagon. H0 might mean Joe straightway. H1 might mean gogtrial, bucktooth, catte, Bookwyrm or gogtrial, bucktooth, Bookwyrim So, who could be scum together with Yogs, Lift, Dessimu? Bucktooth has been lurking and apparently trying to get derp-cleared. Book has lurked so much yet Yogsloth has been very soft on him. Also Book did not even care to make sense in his posts. It is easy to forget he is in the game. Joe has lurked heavily as well. He started like Catte but has not produced any of the rational posts that Catte did. Rethoric questions addressed to Lift do not help him. Gogtrial might have distanced a bit form the others but has not produced much and is directly responsible for yeeting Micro. Also he overreacted to the slightest pressure on D1 yet avoided joining the main wagon (where Dessimu was).
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Post by carradice on May 17, 2022 18:22:29 GMT
Right now if I had to choose from the others I would say Bookwyrm as scum. It explains a lot of things and sits very well with the wagons if it is considered that Catte is town and yogs, dessimu are scum.
About the change in language, Lift did not really do that or I did not notice. Good for him. The other two did as I expect from Yogsloth and from the inexpert and impressionable Dessimu.
Also Joe did write some interesting posts, just not nearly as many as Catte. Nice from him that he remembered us here, hehe. Yes, it might have been fun to keep playing together. I remember well the cool noir setting he modded and the characters and well written fluff that added a lot to the game.
About the shortening days by default, have to love it as else days become more and more empty. I remember talking about this with ZFR like three years ago in my first game iirc.
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Post by carradice on May 17, 2022 18:32:33 GMT
Catte stands as the cornerstone of Town as it seems. Writing good rational posts where he mentions things that aparently no one else notices. If he gets yeeted the game ends.
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Post by carradice on May 17, 2022 21:36:11 GMT
In the past Bookwyrm voted for Dessimu, again, with no consequence. Yogsloth expressed some worries, seemingly for distancing as well. Now no one is daring to vote at the moment!
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Post by The GOGFather on May 18, 2022 4:01:35 GMT
the inexpert and impressionable Dessimu. <Joppo> You are obviously not aware, but Dessimu is not a newcomer. I've read a bit of early games where he participated. In fact, I'm certain Catte, Lift, HSL and Flub have played with him in the past. Maybe gogtrial did too. So either he has more depth than you give him credit for or he is very rusty; but a newbie he is not.
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Post by pooka on May 18, 2022 6:15:22 GMT
HI AGAIN!
I must have missed a whole lot of events. But how come it's still only you here, Carradice?
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Post by carradice on May 18, 2022 9:06:08 GMT
<Joppo> You are obviously not aware, but Dessimu is not a newcomer. I've read a bit of early games where he participated. In fact, I'm certain Catte, Lift, HSL and Flub have played with him in the past. Maybe gogtrial did too. So either he has more depth than you give him credit for or he is very rusty; but a newbie he is not. Thanks for pointing that out. It was clear that the was not a newbie: he would have had newbie protection on D1. It is more difficult to know the depth of understanding of mafia concepts, as he often mishandles them. Also he tries to pass things as helpful for town when they are obviously not, which even as mafia works against him.
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Post by carradice on May 18, 2022 9:09:22 GMT
HI AGAIN! I must have missed a whole lot of events. But how come it's still only you here, Carradice? Everyone else was stumped lol
Dedo (town), Micro (town), Lift (mafia)
Hypersomniaclive did not get a stump, he was assigned by the mod as the equivalent of a NK. He had to leave because of a health complication. He is invited to join this thread. Hopefully he gets better soon.
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Post by pooka on May 18, 2022 9:52:57 GMT
HI AGAIN! I must have missed a whole lot of events. But how come it's still only you here, Carradice? Everyone else was stumped lol
Dedo (town), Micro (town), Lift (mafia)
Hypersomniaclive did not get a stump, he was assigned by the mod as the equivalent of a NK. He had to leave because of a health complication. He is invited to join this thread. Hopefully he gets better soon.
Wait a second. Lift was MAFIA after all? Nice. The one time my HUNCH was correct! But umm seriously, a mafia stump? How does that... Yeah, I hope HSL gets better soon.
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Post by pooka on May 18, 2022 10:03:45 GMT
They hammered Micro like 1h:30m close to deadline. Had bookwyrm not showed up, D3 would've been a no-lynch.
This is why you end your Days early ;)
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Post by pooka on May 18, 2022 10:05:33 GMT
Huh, so the NK was voided because of HSL leaving...does that mean there is a night-only chat after all?
Wew. I thought these were old school and phased out. They're the least unfun of scumchats.
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Post by pooka on May 18, 2022 10:06:52 GMT
"I don't understand GOG Mafia games anymore, it's official." -Cadaver747, 2022, colorized.
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Post by pooka on May 18, 2022 10:17:11 GMT
Heh, Bookwyrm's #1650. But hey he's Bookwyrm so he'll probably get off the hook unlike me, despite doing the same thing I did (by his own admission).
Frustrating but it is what it is.
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Post by pooka on May 18, 2022 10:19:43 GMT
"hi carradice pooka & HSL in the observer board! miss you guys!"
Yeah, same, Joe. Wish I was playing the game.
But in the time I wasn't playing and worrying about the game, I studied more and more Japanese so, silver lining.
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Post by carradice on May 18, 2022 10:55:19 GMT
Huh, so the NK was voided because of HSL leaving...does that mean there is a night-only chat after all? Wew. I thought these were old school and phased out. They're the least unfun of scumchats. Well, we really do not know. I would say they have a day chat, especially since there are stumps. Also it gives them time to plan. I think that night chat only is more fun for mafia as it requires more effort and reading each other on the part of mafia, but both options have their merits.
Lift is trying to make something of his current situation as confirmed mafia stump, which is commendable. Possibly, if he had played his cards better he might have avoided the yeeting, but apparently he had little time in this game. About him, I had a vague impression of him writing posts that sounded like a caricature of his townie self. Like, not much reasoning behind his votes and very little content. Then, the "dance" between Dessimu and Yogsloth where both voted inconsecuentially for Lift felt like distancing and an actual endorsement of Yogsloth by Dessimu, who at the time was regarded by Dedo and others as very townie.
So, who would be your pick for the scum team, if you have any so far?
For me it is Lift, Yogsloth, Dessimu... and one of Bookwyrm, Gogtrial, Bucktooth, Joe (commented in the long post above with the voting results).
Gogtrial seems to have distanced effectively from Dessimu and Yogsloth iirc, and Joe might be a long shot. I am choosing Bookwyrm so far! But I might be wrong of course.
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