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Post by pooka on Apr 30, 2022 8:53:05 GMT
ZFR> Sorry I haven't read much in this thread past week. Been very busy. If Watcher wants to Watch anyone, let me know, I'll add a spoiler tag as before. Any predictions on who will die? And will there be a Stump? Something tells me Cadaver goes.
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Post by carradice on Apr 30, 2022 18:49:10 GMT
I was wondering, if someone A was the target of a redirector or deflector B towards a player C, would I notice that or I would be watching actions made by a player D happening to C believing they are made on A?
B deflects actions made on A. D attempts to perform an action on A. The Watcher attempts to watch actions on A.
Or I might see B acting on A and nothing else?
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Post by carradice on Apr 30, 2022 18:54:44 GMT
I am wondering whether the stumping comes from scum having only Stumping NK (and maybe some limited shots of non stumping kills)
Or maybe the stumping comes from a twisted Deflector that when deflecting a NK causes the shot to "lose strength" and Stumping.
Good observation by Pooka. Cadaver would be a great candidate for stumping IF scum can do that freely (first paragraph above) and IF Cadaver is town.
I can only ask Pooka for opinions, hehe
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Post by carradice on Apr 30, 2022 19:02:37 GMT
Pending a response about that case of Watching... If I would see the deflector, then Dedo. If not, then it is Buck or Cadaver. Mmmm. Let us say Cadaver. Thanks for the chance to have a lityle fun with this, ZFR!
Also, yes, Yogs can totally be scum, but doing a great job anyway for both alignments. He needs to start searching for scummy people who are not only lurkers on Day 3 or risk appearing too scummy himself (more prosecution of lurkers alone will not fly by itself)
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Post by carradice on Apr 30, 2022 19:07:23 GMT
Wondering if Yogsloth is something like a role cop for scum or some other scum role Pooka, any vibes from Dedo carrying a PR? He started somewhat shy, then moved forward
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Post by The GOGFather on Apr 30, 2022 19:08:06 GMT
I was wondering, if someone A was the target of a redirector or deflector B towards a player C, would I notice that or I would be watching actions made by a player D happening to C believing they are made on A? B deflects actions made on A. D attempts to perform an action on A. The Watcher attempts to watch actions on A. Or I might see B acting on A and nothing else? If B deflects actions on A (causes them to target player X instead), then: D's attempt gets redirected to X. A's Watch attempt gets redirected to X. Result: X was visited by D.
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Post by carradice on Apr 30, 2022 19:32:56 GMT
Thank you!
Now, if Dedo had a PR and he had been visited by a role cop... He would be a great target to Watch. But those are too many ifs
In any case, if Dedo falls to a NK and turns out to carry a PR...
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Post by carradice on Apr 30, 2022 19:44:07 GMT
Superf*ck I just entered the game thread. Dedo is dead and he carried a PR as feared Yogsloth most likely is scum and maybe a role cop or sone other investigative role that allowed him to see if Dedo performed any actions Who knows, maybe it was Dedo who deflected/stumped (for simplification)
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Post by carradice on May 1, 2022 7:48:02 GMT
Apparently they detected Dedo's PRon N1 and went for him on N2. They remove remove most towny in this game and a PR. They have to cooe with his confirmation, but he was going to be somewhat difficult to shade, and being stumped surely might affect motivation. Overall not a bad deal. Apparently they are saddled qith stumping shots. But maybe they have sone, or one non stumping one? If so, Dedo was not a bad candidate, apparently. But maybe tgey save it for later. Now, who are Yogsloth's scum mates? scum!Lift might do a lot for Yogs. Else Dessimu is being opportunistic since both are in the same case. Now Yogs ought to try being less scummy thn usual scum!Gogtrial makes a lot of sense Catte, Joe, lurking their hearts out
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Post by pooka on May 1, 2022 11:56:18 GMT
Huh, yogs voting for Lift. And I don't really like yogs this game, pings me as scum.
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Post by pooka on May 1, 2022 12:03:57 GMT
according to gogtrial, yogsloth v dessimu feels staged, forced.
gogtrial did decide to die on my hill after all, so I'm more inclined to scumread him now.
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Post by pooka on May 1, 2022 12:09:32 GMT
Good on dessimu for noticing #676. I'd have voted yogsloth for it alone if I had Lift lynched.
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Post by carradice on May 1, 2022 13:46:19 GMT
pooka: who do you think that might be Yogsloth's scum mates then? Do you think that Lift might be town after all or that thaey are ready to sacrifice him already? What about people voting for Lift not voting inmediately for him now that you flipped town? I keep having this hunch that Gogtrial might be scum as well. His posts really do not bring light about anything, only pretend to. Plus how he overreacted and did not follow that with a vote.
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Post by pooka on May 1, 2022 15:05:20 GMT
pooka : who do you think that might be Yogsloth's scum mates then? Do you think that Lift might be town after all or that thaey are ready to sacrifice him already? What about people voting for Lift not voting inmediately for him now that you flipped town? I keep having this hunch that Gogtrial might be scum as well. His posts really do not bring light about anything, only pretend to. Plus how he overreacted and did not follow that with a vote. Hard to tell who are the mates to yogsloth's scum, since he's been hypertunnelling on me. Even now, he keeps going on and on about voting me. Can't say I'm surprised. Might be worth looking into who is distancing from yogs, but this is like hunting for needle in a haystack since he's got not even a fraction of attention. After several games, I think Lift has more or less figured out the meta around him and what makes people see him as Town. So he's able to manipulate his public image to give off that sense, the "look, Lift is tunneling on someone hard, must be Town" Wait a second...that's something yogsloth stated in an earlier post this game, right?
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Post by carradice on May 1, 2022 17:28:08 GMT
I think that Lift uses and abuses his meta too much. In this game he just lied on a hammock and wrote some nonsense expecting to get a pass for it. He really deserves a sizable wagon because of the way he played.
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Post by carradice on May 1, 2022 19:48:13 GMT
I love the lumberjack song XD
♫♪ "Oh, I'm a Stumpey and I'm okay. I sleep all Night and I post all Day." ♫♪
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Post by The GOGFather on May 2, 2022 10:29:58 GMT
Will someone please tell Cadaver that Ninjas are... I don't know... SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED BY THE RULES!!!
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Post by The GOGFather on May 2, 2022 12:38:44 GMT
People should stop quoting that wiki like it's the Mafia gospel.
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Post by pooka on May 3, 2022 11:27:38 GMT
having a Japanese-style Golden Week is so niiice
did I miss anything?
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Post by carradice on May 3, 2022 14:27:02 GMT
having a Japanese-style Golden Week is so niiice did I miss anything? What is that? Hopefully nothing to do with showers. I wanted to write about the setup, which I do like (also liked the one in that HP game by ZFR). It is great to have investigative roles that require to attention and deduction in order to achieve conclusions. Much better than having a Cop and then millers and other roles that provide untruthful results. Peesonally love the idea of what a Watcher does. Lots of fun. You go fishing and then you need to keep paying attention. The thrice shooting JOAT tracker seems a good lure for a (the) mafia roleCop (or something like that). Hehe. On the other hand, talking about the result of a night action after being NKed is an advantage for Town. Right now the game feels full of subtle nuances and balances. The stumping mechanic sounds like something to balance mafia day chat. It might be interesting that each depends of one character staying alive (insert falsetto here). Maybe even the two mechanics depending on the same character, for a less swingy game. A certain character gets taken offs, and the stumped dry out and the day scumchat no longer works. Powers and all sorts of special roles spice up the game. But mass claiming means abusing this mechanic. It is an ugly way of playing. Everytime some guy asks for that, one craves for a no PR game. And that from someone who likes having all sorts of interesting roles. It has been fun to see Yogs acting as something like rolecop or simply tracker, then having Dedoporno blocked. A great game from Yogs so far, even if some in Town are helping mafiosos either with silence, noise or very bd ideas). Yogs has been harvesting what Town has been offering. Well done. When one sees a constant flow of very bad ideas coming from the same source, it becomes hard to believe that the source is not scum. Yet it is possible! Hard to believe but yes. Nice post from Lift #997. He talks about Yogs waking up eventually... It manages to provide the impression that he is projecting as he is the one finally waking up and starting to play instead of ecpecting everyone to give him a pass for his meta. So far it seems that town is going to lose this.
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Post by pooka on May 3, 2022 14:56:49 GMT
The Golden Week is a period of time from April 29 to May 6 where by taking advantage of a couple of national holidays and other stuff, you can get up to ten days off work in Japan.
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Post by carradice on May 3, 2022 16:54:42 GMT
Ohhh sounds great! Enjoy!
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Post by carradice on May 3, 2022 18:31:26 GMT
It is hilarious how Yogs is getting an average of the towniest (as perceived) players for NK purposes while appearing a busybody and towny himself XD
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Post by carradice on May 3, 2022 21:59:04 GMT
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Post by The GOGFather on May 4, 2022 18:13:01 GMT
<joppo> I can't avoid a chuckle at #1053. "*cut to montage of Cadaver and Dessimu spending a spring afternoon ISOing me together *" :D carradice I must be missing some cultural context but, why is SCOTS vc PICTS a funny thing? I thought they were just acronyms made-up on the spot and unrelated to each other.
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Post by carradice on May 4, 2022 21:35:08 GMT
carradice I must be missing some cultural context but, why is SCOTS vc PICTS a funny thing? I thought they were just acronyms made-up on the spot and unrelated to each other.
Sure, actually they are very related, and even some people consider them the same.
Maybe you heard about the Picts as a tribe to the north of Hadrian's Wall. Some say of pre-celtic origin, but they spoke a celtic language. Picts come from the name the Romans gave them: "the Painted (people)". Think words like "pictórico" or the English "picture". This was because they painted themselves in blue (using a tincture obtained from woad, apparently) when going to war. They persisted as a separate people and there are records of them as Picts until about the year 1000 IIRC (if you wish, a little bit of a cultural fossil in some ways, sort of like the Vikings: both were mostly the same in the Middle Ages as when Romans first met them, minus the ships of the Vikings of course etc).
The region was inhabited by Picts, Scots, Brittons and also later Angles. Picts were the main body of people. Eventually they all coalesced into what became known as Scotland, a nation of a multicultural and multiracial origin, where, in spite of the name, actually Picts had the lion's share. You may recall from Braveheart (set in the XIII century) that cultural practices like painting themselves in blue persisted for a long time even if they had became Christian and all. Some like to say that Scots are modern Picts, but there were more ingredients in the pot. Still.
There is an stereotype as Picts were perceived by Romans and later people as dreaded "barbarians" that raided, attacked by surprise from the forest etc, while Scots were already Christian and "civilized". That adds another layer of meaning to what Microfish did there: Scots as Town, Picts as Scum. Yet there is not such a big difference between them after all!
All in all, rather ingenious from Micro!! :)
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Post by The GOGFather on May 5, 2022 4:37:50 GMT
(joppo): Thanks for the explanation. I really lacked the knowledge about the origins of the Scottish people. I don't think I ever heard of Picts before (or if I did it was a translated name that I didn't associate with "Picts") but now that I know I find it all very interesting. After this short history class I can see why that post is funny. And yeah definitely ingenious.
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Post by carradice on May 5, 2022 9:30:09 GMT
Yes, sorry for the lenghy explanation! It could just have been said that the Picts were were the people that mostly contributed to modern day Scots, although then the fun purt might have been lost :) So we did a time warp to Roman times and back for lunch! ;) www.youtube.com/watch?v=umj0gu5nEGs*** It is great that Micro and others share stuff that makes one smile now and then. From this to jokes to even poems to Joe's drawings. It makes the games more enjoyable and provide an incentive to keep at it when the situation is stuck, IMHO. Since they encourage participation, it can be said that they are pro-town.
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Post by carradice on May 5, 2022 19:05:26 GMT
Lifthrasil complains www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_75_harry_potter_vs_brokol_in_the_bizarro_pokemon_world/post1094<< ZFR: Apologies to anyone affected, but I think this was the best decision to take given the circumstances. Lift: Another Town death without even a wagon to analyse makes things much harder for us. Securing that there will be no NK balances it somewhat. But in any case, if there is no replacement, this is the only way to solve the problem and you're the mod and have more knowledge than we to decide what is best. We'll manage. >> Lifthrasil does not get it: Town can still yeet anyone, while scum will be stuck with Hypersomniac INSTEAD of a NK. And it is a waste since he was vanilla. So if anyone loses it is scum, not town. Plus, one less chance of yeeting a townie, since the removal takes place BEFORE the yeeting and the night.
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Post by carradice on May 5, 2022 20:54:21 GMT
By the way, this confirms my read on Hyper, as expected. May he get better.
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