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Post by The GOGFather on Apr 10, 2022 17:39:30 GMT
This is the Mafia private chat thread for GOG Mafia #75
If you somehow can read this thread but are not supposed to read it, please leave immediately and inform ZFR.
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Post by The GOGFather on Apr 10, 2022 17:42:24 GMT
Hi yogsloth, Lifthrasil, Bookwyrm and catte. You are the Mafia team for GOG Mafia #75.
Your PM's are as follows:
Welcome, yogsloth. You are Harry Potter dressed up as a Brokol, Mafia Follower. You have the following ability: At Night you select a target and learn what actions they performed, if any. You will only learn the action, and not whom they targeted. You may also perform your faction's Night Kill, in which case you won't be able to take any other actions. You win when all threats to Mafia have been eliminated and at least one Mafia player is left alive.
Welcome, Lifthrasil. You are Harry Potter dressed up as a Brokol, Mafia Jack of all Trades (Roleblocker, Rolestopper). You have the following abilities: Roleblocker - At Night you select a target. That target's actions, if any, will fail during that Night. Rolestopper - At Night you select a target. Any other actions, including kill, on that target during that Night will fail. The first time you use your ability, you choose which of the two to use. After that, you have to alternate between the two. You may also choose No Action. When you die you flip as Mafia Jack of all Trades. No further details on your abilities will be given. You may also perform your faction's Night Kill, in which case you won't be able to take any other actions. You win when all threats to Mafia have been eliminated and at least one Mafia player is left alive.
Welcome, Bookwyrm627. You are Harry Potter dressed up as a Brokol, Mafia Stumper. The exact details of how your ability works will be given to the whole team in your chat thread. You may also perform your faction's Night Kill. You win when all threats to Mafia have been eliminated and at least one Mafia player is left alive.
Welcome, catte. You are Harry Potter dressed up as a Brokol, Mafia Goon. You may perform your faction's Night Kill. You win when all threats to Mafia have been eliminated and at least one Mafia player is left alive.
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Post by The GOGFather on Apr 10, 2022 17:49:51 GMT
Stumper:
As long as Mafia Stumper is alive, any kills performed by any of you, whether through Night Kill or by hammering, will allow the killed player to come back as a Stump.
The killed player will not know why they came back as a Stump, they will simply be given this notice:
"A game mechanic allows you to come back as a Stump. You may still post in the game thread during the Day. However you cannot vote, are not counted towards the vote total needed to lynch and are not counted as a living player for any purpose. You also cannot take any actions during the Night. In essence, you continue playing in advisory capacity only. You are excused from the rule requiring you to post every x hours, but all the rules still apply to you otherwise."
A similar notice will be given to all players in the main game thread.
Please note that if killed at Night, the Stump player's actions still take place as per the normal resolution order. This includes investigative actions, to which they will be given results.
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Post by The GOGFather on Apr 10, 2022 17:52:41 GMT
You may post here on Day 1.
Starting Night 1 onwards, you will only be allowed to post at Night.
Investigation results of any Mafia member will be made available to all Mafia members in this thread.
Dead Mafia players will still be allowed to post here, but they won't be able to take any actions, and their opinions will not be counted towards Night Kill consensus. Again, advisory capacity only.
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Post by The GOGFather on Apr 10, 2022 17:53:21 GMT
You may start posting here as soon as you're given access. Even before the main game starts.
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Post by catte on Apr 10, 2022 21:57:42 GMT
Yo yo yo yo yo!
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Post by Bookwyrm627 on Apr 10, 2022 22:43:12 GMT
Day 1 Daychat. Let's rock it while we got it!
Timing: Assuming we're the only anti-town, 1 mislynch per day, and 1 kill per night, then we win on Day 4 with the 4th mislynch. DON'T POST THIS TIMELINE! Knowing when the game ends implies knowing the size of mafia.
On the bright side, we've got some serious player power on our team. Each of us probably require a different kind of scum hunting to be caught, and that's going to be rough on Town.
A little concerning: at 4/15 of the player base, we're over the 25% mark. Leaves one wondering what all Town has. Besides their roles, they also have assurances that investigations can't return bad results, so a red check is a sure hit.
Interesting: Yog is sort of role-coppy. Looks like he won't get everything off anyone with multiple actions (ex. Lift) from a single investigation, though.
Interesting: Lift alternates between aggressive and protective. Rolestopper could be used to help us, or it could be used to prevent town from trying to confirm a certain player.
Yucky: my ability is an active detriment. Not sure what I'm going to do about it, or what we should do about it as a team. We may need to avoid hammering because our hammers make more stumps. If town figures out that our kills are what makes stumps, the hammers become big problems because hammers without stumps are town, while hammers with stumps aren't. Perhaps I just claim Vanilla if pushed to it and they have to wonder how "Mafia Stumper" works? Maybe there's a way we can manipulate Town with this; I'm not sure yet. This role is indeed some genuine ZFR goofiness.
Hm. Maybe I stall claiming anything, then (truthfully) claim I'm the reason for stumps? Not sure how to claim how the ability works, though. If it covers my hammers, then I can easily explain hammering whatever I feel like, but that leaves the question of NK stumps. Maybe we go for a mix of hammers and not!hammers to confuse the issue of when stumps occur? That kind of depends on Town having some NKs too. If we (as a team) avoid hammering before I die, then maybe Stumper just brings back NK'd people, and the hammer aspect won't come up?
I asked some questions about my ability, and (with mod's permission) here's the QA: =========== Q: Can we kill a Stump? Or would that just result in them coming back again as a Stump? A: Stump "are not counted as a living player for any purpose". So they can't be target of NK, or any other action.
Q: Presumably if I get Roleblocked, the Stumping still happens because my ability is passive. A: Your ability is passive. Can't be roleblocked. Though you can NK yourself. And then come back as a Stump. That will end your ability.
Q: If I die, do stumps die with me, or is it just that no further stumps are created? A: Just no further stumps are created. ===========
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Post by The GOGFather on Apr 11, 2022 11:09:19 GMT
Sorry, I wanted to add the following rule but forgot to do so. It's there now.
Investigation results of any Mafia member will be made available to all Mafia members in this thread.
(In your case this means Follower investigation)
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Post by yogsloth on Apr 11, 2022 18:05:38 GMT
4/13 mafia? Isn't that a bit OP?
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Post by catte on Apr 11, 2022 19:04:12 GMT
4/13 mafia? Isn't that a bit OP? That was my immediate thought, but ZFR's no fool so I assume the town have something big up their sleeves.
Also I was originally under the impression this was going to be a mountainous game which would have made those numbers particularly crazy! But no, we have powers and you can bet the town have a few too.
Bookwyrm makes an excellent point that we should avoid hammering at virtually all costs unless it's a game-winning lynch. It won't be hard for town to put two and two together if our hammers stump people and no one else's does. We might get away with one person hammering, but we definitely want to avoid a pattern.
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Post by Bookwyrm627 on Apr 11, 2022 23:48:51 GMT
It's 4/15, not 13. The player number list goes 1-13, then 1 zillion, then eleventy zillion.
Also, we've got a role that helps Town. I'd consider just taking a Day 1 dive to remove it, except I'm selfish and don't want to ruin my "Never been lynched as scum" streak. Also, they may have investigations, and that's a lynch that isn't killing one of them.
Speaking of which, we'll need to change up normal targeting tactics; killing a player doesn't remove their investigations (and it will confirm all their investigations), it only prevents future investigations. Likewise, we can't remove a suspicious player with the NK. We do have two blocks and an investigation, though.
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Post by catte on Apr 12, 2022 0:07:05 GMT
Ohhhhhhhh. I read those were the backup spots. Cool. Cool cool cool. Incidentally, look at that. There's a GOG advert showing up for me at the bottom of the page. I've seen a few GOG adverts around in the last week or so and it made me realise I hadn't seen one for years. I guess they stopped advertising at some point? The forum is goddamn luxurious after years on the GOG forum. I grew up with phpBB so I've missed a lot of these features over the years.
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Post by lifthrasil on Apr 12, 2022 11:57:34 GMT
Found it! Sorry for being so late!
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Post by yogsloth on Apr 12, 2022 15:41:14 GMT
We might want to seriously consider yeeting bookwyrm D1
Nothing personal
But 3/13 (assuming a N1 kill) is still a reasonable starting position
and if we do it right we could potentially gain some decent town cred for one or more of us
and it removes the whole stump problem, which I promise you, will be a serious problem
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Post by yogsloth on Apr 12, 2022 15:42:07 GMT
am I Danny DeVito on a floaty in the ocean
I look like Danny DeVito on a floaty in the ocean
mommy, why am I Danny DeVito on a floaty in the ocean
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Post by Bookwyrm627 on Apr 12, 2022 17:39:45 GMT
We might want to seriously consider yeeting bookwyrm D1 Nothing personal But 3/13 (assuming a N1 kill) is still a reasonable starting position and if we do it right we could potentially gain some decent town cred for one or more of us and it removes the whole stump problem, which I promise you, will be a serious problem No offense taken; I'd already brought it up as an option.
Short of me taking a dive, there probably isn't a good way to Town Cred you guys on D1, and me taking a dive is going to look exactly like I'm taking a dive to those who've been around much at all. I can't recall the last time I've even been viable as a Day 1 lynch.
The other issue is "Does Town have anything that stumps people too?". If so, we definitely don't want to have me take a dive because then we've got the exact same problem but worse because now the Town stumper basically gets a cop check on every hammer, and possibly any town vig shots.
Ugh. Just the thought of a Town Stumper makes me a little ill.
What about making me the first NK? Mafia turning up dead during the night should mess with Town right proper.
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Post by yogsloth on Apr 12, 2022 18:04:20 GMT
What about making me the first NK? Mafia turning up dead during the night should mess with Town right proper.
and make you a mafia stump lol probably not a great idea, but an amusing one
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Post by Bookwyrm627 on Apr 12, 2022 18:34:57 GMT
I can make snide remarks for the rest of the game!
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Post by lifthrasil on Apr 13, 2022 7:41:06 GMT
Ah, proboards is back. Yes, NK-ing Bookwyrm would be amusing.
@mod: since NKs create stumps as long as Bookwyrm is alive, and their power is still executed that night, Bookwyrm would be stumped, if we NK him, right?
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Post by lifthrasil on Apr 13, 2022 7:41:51 GMT
Ah, stupid me. Mod already answered that.
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Post by lifthrasil on Apr 13, 2022 7:57:40 GMT
An alternative style of play would be to not NK anyone for now. We could try to win this by mislynching (without hammering) until Bookwyrm is lynched for some reason.
Only, if one of us looks like an inevitable lynch, perhaps one of us should hammer. In this way the team member would stay as a stump. While still not betraying to Town what the mechanic behind that is. They will probably assume that Mafioso just come back as stump when they are lynched.
Also, playing without NK would really mess with Town's analysis. Only problem: we don't know what kind of investigators there are on the Town side.
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Post by Bookwyrm627 on Apr 13, 2022 12:59:24 GMT
No NK victory sounds interesting, but that's 6 Nights of Town actions if none of us get lynched. If we knew something about what they had, I'd consider it, but I think the risk is too high.
I think we need to let Town hammer the first Day (assuming they actually figure out where to find a hammer) and see what happens. If a stump shows up, we may just play "follow the hammer" for a night or two? I don't know.
I do kind of like taking the hammers on mafia, if that happens.
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Post by catte on Apr 13, 2022 17:40:49 GMT
Hey guys, sorry I disappeared for a day there. We might want to seriously consider yeeting bookwyrm D1 Nothing personal But 3/13 (assuming a N1 kill) is still a reasonable starting position and if we do it right we could potentially gain some decent town cred for one or more of us and it removes the whole stump problem, which I promise you, will be a serious problem From a strategic point I'm absolutely on board, but I would love to see at least one stump just to see the mechanic in action. Here's a question though - if one of us hammers Bookwyrm, does he become a stump? His power would still have been active at the point he's hammered.
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Post by The GOGFather on Apr 13, 2022 18:33:31 GMT
Here's a question though - if one of us hammers Bookwyrm, does he become a stump? His power would still have been active at the point he's hammered. Yes.
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Post by catte on Apr 13, 2022 19:55:55 GMT
Fanck yoo.
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Post by lifthrasil on Apr 14, 2022 7:07:34 GMT
What power should I start with? Protect the one of us who does the NK with my Rolestopper ability? Or block some Townie? I tend to starting with Rolestopper. Because we know who is going to do the NK and is in danger of being tracked or watched. In N2 we may then have a better view of whom to block among the Townies.
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Post by Bookwyrm627 on Apr 14, 2022 11:55:41 GMT
That makes some sense. Also, make sure to look toward your future claim, and have a Town reason in mind for doing whatever you're caught doing.
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Post by catte on Apr 14, 2022 16:10:28 GMT
Yup, I think protecting the NK is a more sensible use of your power at this point.
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Post by catte on Apr 14, 2022 17:05:45 GMT
Careful there Lift, voting so soon after me might be a bit risky!
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Post by lifthrasil on Apr 15, 2022 12:31:58 GMT
Damn. I had to check twice to make sure that Micro isn't Scum! That random vote is such a scummy move.
Maybe he is SK? In any case it's a gift for us.
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