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Post by Dessimu on Jul 2, 2022 20:55:18 GMT
AmbitionZ says 4G reminds him of Europe. I have no idea about situation in USA, but here... Well, in Denmark, I have 5G most of the time nowadays. When I visited Ireland, I saw maps that 5G should be available in all cities and towns, main areas. Nonetheless, 4G was best I got. I know in Lithuania 5G is fairly easy to get in most places. Can't say about the rest.
I imagine it being non too different from USA to be honest
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Post by Catventurer on Jul 2, 2022 22:16:00 GMT
Cellular coverage in the United States really isn't all that consistent as it depends entirely on where you are plus which carrier you are with. By this, I do specifically mean that there are places where I cannot even get 4G coverage even though I own an iPhone and use Verizon, which is one of the major carriers here. Traveling anywhere by airplane in the US is super risky at the moment. You may find yourself stranded at an airport due to a canceled flight, needed to rent a car to get to your destination, and not knowing where your luggage is at. It's entirely reasonable that Ambiti0nZ and his partner are traveling somewhere by car, taking turns driving, and running into spotty coverage that is forcing him to either sit out or play catch up.
Also Monday is the day that us Americans celebrate our nation's independence from our good pal England by blowing stuff up. There's also parades and free concerts in parks, which can mean spotty posting from US posters all day.
I'm not sure it's the smartest thing for anyone to be playing Joe's name three suspects game.
1) Given that there are only two mafia left, this means that you're going to put forth at least one person that is not. If someone isn't mafia but ends up on almost everyone's list, even only at 2nd or 3rd choice, they still become a very safe lynch option on the basis that most were suspicious of this person to some degree.
2) It also means that if Joe is mafia, he's cohort just needs to look at whoever else is being named and pick three off everyone else's list without picking Joe.
3) Additionally, you're essentially telling the mafia players as to how much you suspect them or don't.
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Post by Catventurer on Jul 2, 2022 23:16:51 GMT
Actually, I think Dessimu might be right in that RWarehall is mafia. If Joe is town, RWarehall is snuggling up to Joe in post 801.
Also looking at how people are responding to Joe's game: Ambiti0nZ: 1 detective_razza, 2 HypersomniacLive, 3, ZFR dedoporno: 1 Catte, 2 HypersomniacLive, 3 RWarehall Joe: 1 Dedoporno, 2 HypersomniacLive, 3 RWarehall RWarehall: 1 babark, 2 HypersomniacLive, 3 Ambitionz (wants to policy lynch Razza & Catte first) ZFR: 1 RWarehall, 2 Ambitionz, 3 HypersomniacLive (later stated that HSL can be 1 too) Catte: not playing the game HypersomniacLive: "Are you being serious here?..."
If HypersomniacLive isn't mafia, he looks like a very good night kill option. Someone with a kill blocking role probably won't be protecting him seeing that everyone that did participate is suspecting him to some degree.
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 5:03:40 GMT
Catventurer. Airports are a mess everywhere. Before traveling to Ireland for a week, I learned that situation there not long ago was so bad, that people had to wait outside of the airport to even get in, massive amount of flights were delayed or cancelled. I mentally prepared for an option to get stranded in Ireland for longer than I planned to stay 😄 Lucky for me, the amount of people travelling got smaller and airport was already better prepared to handle such situations. But I hear chaos reigned in Sweden, England, other major airports throughout Europe. Mostly because this is first normal summer after Corona, where everything is open and people are hungry for travels, especially considering kids have holidays too. ... Is it me, or #801 RWarehall straight up ignores the fact that Razza soft claimed having a role? And still goes for her. Maybe intentional from scum!RWarehall? ... If Razza is Town, then what is she doing? #802, #803 she basically says "I have no useful information on anyone, but N3 I will investigate RWarehall." Especially if she says she doesn't want to claim (and assuming she is not lying), I think she should have corrected her mistake and done some scumhunting to calm other Townies and then claimed to whatever degree only if she got to like L-1 or L-2. Even if her claim is a lie just to draw the NK to herself. Because now she might distract Town. I hope she is Town, I hope she has a plan. ... Where is Babark? ... Catventurer. I think it's not the first time RWarehall is cuddling up to another player. Which is just scummy. Everything is scummy in mafia games 😄 ... Given the posts, I feel like mafia got a better grip to drive narrative now. Town should be careful. But lets not forget that everyone is somehow busy irl. I mean, I find it nice that even as busy, people are still engaged. Just that focus can be a little shifty. ... I would lynch RWarehall because I don't trust him and toDay more than yesterDay can be learned about other people from his flip. Even if RWarehall is Town, his lynch may help more than him being alive at this point.
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 10:19:55 GMT
#806. Hahaha. Eh, even if Joe is mafia, at least it's entertaining 😄 But he has a point about ZFR. I mean, hard to see why ZFR is Town. Joe either leans Town and I hope his challenges will not give scum edge over Town :/ Or he is mafia, very nicely gathering info with nearly no push, no stress, no nothing from others.
However, I am not a fan of Joe's vote on dedoporno. Even if Joe wants to push dedo like he sometimes claims, not a fan. Indicates scum!Joe.
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 10:23:29 GMT
My stance: • RWarehall is scum • Babark is likely scum • scum!Joe, town!Joe, scum!Joe, town!Joe, scum!Joe, town!Joe, scum!Joe, town!Joe, scum!Joe, town!Joe, scum!Joe, town!Joe, scum!Joe, town!Joe, scum!Joe... 😂😂😂
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 10:43:05 GMT
@all: do you think Razza is telling the truth about having a role, and if yes, then what role do you guess she have?
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 14:14:11 GMT
Last post, Joe provides a second challenge and promises more memes, then says "when I was scum, memes did not help to save scum buddy". For me, it's like writing "I am scum" on the forehead and dancing around everybody. I wonder if anyone will question this and I wonder what Joe has in mind, doing so
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Post by Catventurer on Jul 3, 2022 15:12:12 GMT
Last post, Joe provides a second challenge and promises more memes, then says "when I was scum, memes did not help to save scum buddy". For me, it's like writing "I am scum" on the forehead and dancing around everybody. I wonder if anyone will question this and I wonder what Joe has in mind, doing so I'll go back to what I said yesterday in that Joe's name your top three suspects game only helps the mafia. It doesn't help the town at all. What the town needs to do is decide who they are going to lynch next, not inform the mafia as to how much they suspect them. The mafia shouldn't know this until they are lynched off.
Assuming that two of these people are mafia: Babark, Joe, RW - this means:
- Ambiti0nZ doesn't suspect anyone that is mafia.
- dedoporno and ZFR only suspect RW.
- Joe names RW, and RW names babark.
- Razza, babark, Catte and HSL have not posted any suspects.
If mafia is Joe and Babark, it wouldn't be hard to steer the town to lynching RW (or even HSL that is was on all suspect lists.)
If mafia is Joe and RW, then RW needs to do a better job of hiding in plain sight while Joe nudges everyone to someone else.
Likewise if mafia is Babark and RW, then being snuggle buddies with Joe is a smart move - especially when Joe keeps making posts that aid your team.
The ZFR challenge makes no sense considering that everyone who played Joe's first game named HSL as either their second or third choice, while only Ambiti0nZ named ZFR as a suspect. It would make far more sense to challenge people to come to HSL's defense considering that everyone that played his first game named HSL somewhere.
His posts really do feel like he's trying to nudge the town team into being against each other.
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Post by Catventurer on Jul 3, 2022 15:23:18 GMT
@all: do you think Razza is telling the truth about having a role, and if yes, then what role do you guess she have? Yes, I can say with 100% certainty that she is telling the truth about having a role. Technically vanilla town member and mafia goon are roles. Everyone in the game has a role. Okay, what you mean is does she have a special role that grants additional powers.
I think she might be implying some type of investigation role but if it is true or not, I don't know. She could be vanilla town and trying to draw the mafia team into going after her for the night kill which would mean not going after someone that actually has a special power.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Jul 3, 2022 16:08:15 GMT
I'll go back to what I said yesterday in that Joe's name your top three suspects game only helps the mafia. It doesn't help the town at all. What the town needs to do is decide who they are going to lynch next, not inform the mafia as to how much they suspect them. The mafia shouldn't know this until they are lynched off.
The ZFR challenge makes no sense considering that everyone who played Joe's first game named HSL as either their second or third choice, while only Ambiti0nZ named ZFR as a suspect. It would make far more sense to challenge people to come to HSL's defense considering that everyone that played his first game named HSL somewhere. It's not name your top three suspects, it's name your top suspect and two top towns.
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Post by Catventurer on Jul 3, 2022 16:15:53 GMT
Okay! I clearly misread that! Thank you for the clarification. <3
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 17:03:53 GMT
@all: do you think Razza is telling the truth about having a role, and if yes, then what role do you guess she have? Yes, I can say with 100% certainty that she is telling the truth about having a role. Technically vanilla town member and mafia goon are roles. Everyone in the game has a role. Okay, what you mean is does she have a special role that grants additional powers.
I think she might be implying some type of investigation role but if it is true or not, I don't know. She could be vanilla town and trying to draw the mafia team into going after her for the night kill which would mean not going after someone that actually has a special power.
Last game I got into decent discussion as to what people perceive as role. Always, if someone said role, I would assume power role (as in anything else, but not vanilla and not goon). Then I was corrected, that "role" includes both simple vanilla and goon. However, PR (power role) always mean something special, not vanilla and not goon. Just to be clear :) For now, I like where Razza is going, just I don't think it's so hard to come to conclusions and for example, guess corectly, why I unvoted Babark, given the events in posts before. I like Catte's vote on Joe. Joe should get more push for the way he acts, because uf he is Town, going somewhere with his games - no one will believe him in the end, even if his findings will be true. As for scum team, I easily pair Babark and RWarehall in my mind. Not so easy to pair Joe with someone.
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 17:30:17 GMT
Babark got unlucky with quote marks there 😄 But the things he said... Somehow entagled with RWarehall and Joe. Babark is indeed less experienced, just so you know, but not completely new player. He is trying better this game than the first I played with him, and this is great. Given fresh experience, I would expect Babark to straight up paint his scum buddy as Town. And here we have RWarehall and Joe. One must be buddy and another either helping mafia, or being too dangerous to mafia, so scum are cuddling up to them. I would say both Babark and RWarehall are cuddling up to Joe. Which would make Joe Town.
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 17:42:42 GMT
Because I have more time on hands now, sometimes I find myself refreshing the game thread more often than when I was alive in-game xDD
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Post by Catventurer on Jul 3, 2022 17:55:15 GMT
Babark got unlucky with quote marks there 😄 But the things he said... Somehow entagled with RWarehall and Joe. Babark is indeed less experienced, just so you know, but not completely new player. He is trying better this game than the first I played with him, and this is great. Given fresh experience, I would expect Babark to straight up paint his scum buddy as Town. And here we have RWarehall and Joe. One must be buddy and another either helping mafia, or being too dangerous to mafia, so scum are cuddling up to them. I would say both Babark and RWarehall are cuddling up to Joe. Which would make Joe Town.
Babark is probably on par with myself, maybe a bit higher only because none of my experience was recent. Also just sitting on the sideline knowing who is mafia and who isn't can be it's own level of fun when you have a co-mod to watch it with.
Joe being Town and wrongly allied with two mafia is another possibility.
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Post by Catventurer on Jul 3, 2022 18:07:04 GMT
ZFR (post 817) - *sigh* no one is going to ask why I, if the game depended on it, would Vig HSL, whom I'm Town-reading, and not for example Razza whom I'm voting?
My question: What does "Vig" mean?
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Post by maxleod on Jul 3, 2022 18:11:10 GMT
ZFR (post 817) - *sigh* no one is going to ask why I, if the game depended on it, would Vig HSL, whom I'm Town-reading, and not for example Razza whom I'm voting? My question: What does "Vig" mean? Vigilante?
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 18:17:14 GMT
"Vig" mean vigilante, or depending on the context of sentence can mean action "kill by a vigilante". Normally (if not always) vigilante is Town aligned, can sometimes kill during the Day, sometimes during the Night, sometimes has one shot, sometimes several - depends on the game. Not a very common role in GOG mafia games I would say. ... When Joe proposed a challenge, in the first part he basically asked "if you, Townies, could kill one player, who would you kill?" ... ZFR seems to have some grand idea about why he would kill HSL, even though he Town-reads him. Voting someone to lynch, is basically saying the same thing - "Hey, lets collectively kill Player X". ZFR expresses a difference between his choices. As in, he votes Razza because she is scummy, but he would Day-kill HSL because of something fantastic. Curious what he means by that
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 19:45:37 GMT
Dedoporno's answer to Joe #820 - what'a'what??!?!!?!? o_____O"
Seems like 100% Town!Dedo talking to NAI!Joe. Otherwise this discussion would be in scum chat.
NAI means Not Alignment Indicative - could be Town, could be Mafia
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 3, 2022 20:15:12 GMT
Why not, ZFR xD Go hard, or go home. Either way, die in a blaze of glory 😂
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Post by Catventurer on Jul 3, 2022 20:30:15 GMT
NAI means Not Alignment Indicative - could be Town, could be Mafia Thank you! These explanations really do help me understand things. :)
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Jul 3, 2022 20:37:00 GMT
Remove my town read from ZFR. Him and Hyper are scum and going for the town cred like crazy.
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 4, 2022 7:16:45 GMT
I wonder if it is town!Joe probing Babark, or scum!Joe trying to trip Babark
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 4, 2022 7:20:54 GMT
The thing I like about RWarehall, is that he clearly states where he stands. Which, if he is Town, then upon his death and flip, would make it easy to follow his intentions and everything.
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 4, 2022 10:36:41 GMT
Woah. The Desperado thing dedoporno explained #839 is very interesting. If Joe brought it up in the game thread, but vaguely enough that no one could guess, can we assume Joe is Town and that he actually believes Dedoporno to be Town?
RWarehall is not too keen on jumping on Babark, even though Babark is one of the players who did not vote by the end of D1. With me gone, RWarehall is going for Catte and Razza now, in fact trying to protect Babark. From Town perspective, I think it us perfectly good to suspect Babark, even if just a little bit. When I brought up Babark's quotes, I did not think the whole thing would escalate. Wether it's a good or a bad thing, now depends on alignments of Joe and Babark. I refuse to believe them both being mafia on mafia right now. Either both Town, or one of them is Town. I give Town credit to Joe
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 4, 2022 10:38:50 GMT
And I second dedoporno's idea that my kill was about circumstances surrounding me and LordCephy
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 4, 2022 10:40:30 GMT
lifthrasil, where you one of Desperados in the game Joe and dedoporno mentioned?
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Post by Catventurer on Jul 4, 2022 14:20:29 GMT
Woah. The Desperado thing dedoporno explained #839 is very interesting. If Joe brought it up in the game thread, but vaguely enough that no one could guess, can we assume Joe is Town and that he actually believes Dedoporno to be Town? RWarehall is not too keen on jumping on Babark, even though Babark is one of the players who did not vote by the end of D1. With me gone, RWarehall is going for Catte and Razza now, in fact trying to protect Babark. From Town perspective, I think it us perfectly good to suspect Babark, even if just a little bit. When I brought up Babark's quotes, I did not think the whole thing would escalate. Wether it's a good or a bad thing, now depends on alignments of Joe and Babark. I refuse to believe them both being mafia on mafia right now. Either both Town, or one of them is Town. I give Town credit to Joe Wanting to lynch Razza and Catte for no reason other than that everyone who didn't vote on day one needs to be taken out is just weird. Was he advocating for this on day 2?
What's so special that Babark that he gets a pass? I have to say this because I got frustrated with him at one point on day one and voted for him on the basis that when he did post, it looked like he was going out of his way to not participate.
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Post by Dessimu on Jul 4, 2022 15:40:56 GMT
Woah. The Desperado thing dedoporno explained #839 is very interesting. If Joe brought it up in the game thread, but vaguely enough that no one could guess, can we assume Joe is Town and that he actually believes Dedoporno to be Town? RWarehall is not too keen on jumping on Babark, even though Babark is one of the players who did not vote by the end of D1. With me gone, RWarehall is going for Catte and Razza now, in fact trying to protect Babark. From Town perspective, I think it us perfectly good to suspect Babark, even if just a little bit. When I brought up Babark's quotes, I did not think the whole thing would escalate. Wether it's a good or a bad thing, now depends on alignments of Joe and Babark. I refuse to believe them both being mafia on mafia right now. Either both Town, or one of them is Town. I give Town credit to Joe Wanting to lynch Razza and Catte for no reason other than that everyone who didn't vote on day one needs to be taken out is just weird. Was he advocating for this on day 2?
What's so special that Babark that he gets a pass? I have to say this because I got frustrated with him at one point on day one and voted for him on the basis that when he did post, it looked like he was going out of his way to not participate.
On D2, when I started playing, I found myself in a weird situation. At the end of D1, 7 people voted Bucktoothgamer, he flipped mafia goon. Buck voted RWarehall, maybe somebody else voted somebody. But! There were 4 players, who did not vote at all: Babark, Catte, Razza and you, LordCephy. For this reason alone, before I became you, I guessed you were mafia. RWarehall suggested, that last 2 scum must be among these 4 non-voters, simply because by the end of the Day, it would have been VERY easy for ANY of the 7 people on Buck's wagon, to jump off and end Day 1 with No-Lynch. Which you got to aggree - sounds VERY logical. This is the main reason I was Town-reading RWarehall hard in the beginning. I changed my mind about RWarehall, when HSL pointed out, that RWarehall is capable of super-duper-uber-smart-things as scum. So, it seems that on D3, RWarehall is sticking to his theory. While on one hand, I like it, on the other - I am very afraid that RWarehall is scum, he voted Bucktooth on purpose and now (after my NK) still has 3 lynch candidates. Of which Babark seems to be under his wing for now. The special thing about Babark is simply the fact, that Babark claimed to have a Town-aligned sort of protecting role. No one can confirm or deny it, so people have to be careful in case Babark actually is Town and simply doesn't know how to best use his role. I can see this logic from any townie's perspective and RWarehall implies that this is how he thinks. That he believes Babark and Babark should not be lynched. There is sense in that. Mafia would, could and should kill town!Babark. But if Babark is mafia, then only way for Town to win, is to lynch Babark. So, somehow, Town players have to come to consesus and decide if they want to risk it leaving Babark alive or not. And I think this is what Joe is trying to determine. What confuses me, is that the very same, exact tactic can be used by mafia!Joe to implicate town!Babark and make Town lynch Babark for mafia. And I have no idea, how to check them. The best strategy I can think of, is to lynch RWarehall and get his flip. This way, it's amazing if he flips Scum, but it is equally helpful even if he is Town. Simply because RWarehall has clearly stated his opinions about players and connections are actually easy to follow. From his connections to others, Town could better guess why I was Night Killed, what Joe is doing and who Babark may be.
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