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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 7, 2023 21:51:47 GMT
You guys are winging it on the fact that half of your group absolutely despises anime. Will you win work from home, Amanda and Natsuko? (This chat is available at all times during the game's runtime).
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 8, 2023 6:26:23 GMT
"Fuck you, Amanda." Natsuko had a face of pure disgust, just typing out Madoka's name on her phone. "This is the worst idea you could ever come up with, you piece of shit."
The two girls were in an apartment at night, presumably Natsuko's. They sat on both ends of a small sofa, with the TV across them playing Castaway at a very low volume. It wasn't their first time together, but this time it was clear as daylight they were in on something big.
Amanda just giggled. "Don't worry, Nats. It'll just work."
"What do you mean it'll just work?" Nats sighed. "Everyone will put their eyeballs on me first."
"Exactly! And then they'll go and think 'nah, it ain't Natsuko's handiwork, she'd never bring herself to do that'." Amanda just smiled. "It'll work for us."
"Sure as hell it won't, but whatever." Nats pulled a cigarette out of the box in her pocket, and lit it to have a smoke. "What did you say this kind of crap is called? Wine in what?"
"In front of me." Amanda put a half-full glass of wine on the table between the TV and the sofa. "This glass of wine of yours can't be some of that weird anime-themed stuff from Japan because you'd vomit just looking at it."
Nats stared straight into Amanda. "But it can be and I just want you to think it can't be, that kinda childish shit?"
Amanda just beamed back at her. "Yes! Oh but it's not that kind of wine and maybe I'm just going around in circl-"
"I guess I get the point." Nats took a puff of the cigarette, briefly paying the movie some attention, apparently that Hank guy or whatever he's called is trying to smash coconuts open or something. "Just, just do whatever you want, but that asshole Stuart had better be humiliated. To think he can talk to me like that."
"Yeah, he might as well just make you call him Stuart-sama at this rate. Old stuck-up bastard." Amanda waved her hands dismissively.
"That's why I hate that country, so many Stuarts changing the rules because they had an argument with their bitch in the fucking morning." Nats flashed a big grin. "But at least here, I can go out with a boom before working for another idiot."
Amanda lightly shook Nats by the side. "Nats, relax. You're in America now. Forget about Japan."
"Right, right, sorry." Nats just scratched the back of her head. "Wait, hey, you're the one who brought up Stuart-sama!" Well, at least she cooled down for a few moments.
And so, the """Mafia"""'s plan was set in motion...
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Post by atlo on Dec 11, 2023 21:57:55 GMT
Damn... I was kinda expecting, kinda hoping I would be mafia... but at the same time I'm nervous. =D
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Post by atlo on Dec 11, 2023 22:15:25 GMT
Ok, I have my approach pre-planned; I just need to sleep the night over and think whether it will actually be reasonable.
The gist of it would be -- during the Random Voting Stage, first 2 days, give or take, I will be silly. (Here I will probably take some flak) On my ''time to get serious'' phase I will list my experience about the other players. Those will actually be from my honest perspective. Here's the part where I struggle -- go full LAMIST and proclaim how I'm disappointed I'm not actually mafia and imply Pooka had the roles randomly assigned so... I have to look at what others have posted during the RVS and cook something semi-reasonable up.
OR
involve Pooka and state he must have the roles hand-picked. Then try to cook any combination up... Problem is - the chances of getting a train running this way are very slim and the ''Pooka hand picked the roles'' could very easily backfire.
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Will sleep this over. =]
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oh, yeah, Hi joppo! xD
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Post by joppo on Dec 12, 2023 1:00:28 GMT
Hello Atlo. I'm kinda relieved you're my partner in this game. I don't think we played any game together right? But from what I've seen of you in these last games you're a pretty capable player so I know I have reliable backup. I was slightly hoping to be a townie, which is a bit more comfortable to me; but also expecting I would be Mafia yet again... because RNGesus clearly has a sense of humor and I've been assigned to Mafia a lot more than you'd expect. Certainly more than Town. But it is fine, I'm starting to get used to it. =] I haven't thought much about strategy and, I'll be honest, I'd rather make it up as I go because otherwise I'll be too much on edge if I'm not being too obvious about following a strategy. As any alignment I prefer to be careful at the start and prod a bit; then as Mafia I'll try to latch onto someone who said something suspicious and push on it. In other words, not much of a strategy other than having basic common sense. =] I don't know if I like these ideas you threw out. In just a few games you have earned a pretty decent reputation; acting LAMIST will appear unusual for a player who has shown himself fairly capable before. The other idea might fly depending if the conversations from a few more players lead that way, otherwise it could indeed backfire. Also you have to consider that Pooka is an experienced mod who never handpicked roles before; someone will certainly raise that point and call you out on it. Well, I guess it's a bit early to talk about targets but just so you know I'm a rolecop. During the day we should be on lookout for people who hint at being PRs. Both the Jailkeeper and the friendly neighbor are fairly powerful against us so we'd better dispatch them as early as possible. Also, you'll be in charge of any kills while you're alive. <b> pooka:</b> How does this friendly neighbor role works? Do they have a limit or will they befriend every stranger like my niece does? If we kill someone this neighbor befriended, will they flip as a PR or vanilla? That's important because it could corroborate the neighbor's claim. Oh hey I just noticed we have daychat! This is the nicest part of being Mafia!
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Post by atlo on Dec 12, 2023 6:31:56 GMT
I don't think we played any game together right? Depends on what you mean with together - you substituted CatVenturer in the Anime Classroom game - but by that point I was already NK'ed. :D And then we did play Edison Vs. Tesla -- but in that game we we're on opposing teams. =) Also you have to consider that Pooka is an experienced mod who never handpicked roles before; someone will certainly raise that point and call you out on it. Oh? I didn't actually know that... P.S. Writing in here is weird! =P
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 12, 2023 11:44:36 GMT
The friendly neighbor just tells his target that he's Town. Through me, of course.
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Post by joppo on Dec 12, 2023 16:12:38 GMT
I don't think we played any game together right? Depends on what you mean with together - you substituted CatVenturer in the Anime Classroom game - but by that point I was already NK'ed. :D And then we did play Edison Vs. Tesla -- but in that game we we're on opposing teams. =) Whoops, you are right. I did play the same game as you in Edison vs. Tesla. We even had an interesting discussion about our strategies after the game. But the game was so short I forgot about playing in it until you pointed it out.
Well since you didn't know it wouldn't be the smoking gun that would be if it came from older players like Lift or even me but it still might make people suspect you unnecessarily.
I'm pretty sure that eventually someone will wonder about the connection of my character hating animes and the Mafia using anime avatars as a reason to suspect me. But I will just play it cool when it comes up. No biggie. I can't let it transpire as something worrisome so I just won't.
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Post by joppo on Dec 12, 2023 16:18:06 GMT
The friendly neighbor just tells his target that he's Town. Through me, of course. Ah I assumed that he would be a variant of a neighborizer, inviting other townies to a private chat. And that being "friendly" meant unlimited shots. Much better this way.
And I suppose they only have one shot, right?
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 12, 2023 19:01:25 GMT
The friendly neighbor just tells his target that he's Town. Through me, of course. Ah I assumed that he would be a variant of a neighborizer, inviting other townies to a private chat. And that being "friendly" meant unlimited shots. Much better this way.
And I suppose they only have one shot, right? That would be too OP if he could invite other townies to a private chat. But yeah, he's got unlimited shots, just like the PMs over at mafiascum imply. Basically, you might as well just get your role info from mafiascum, that would work too.
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Post by joppo on Dec 12, 2023 19:58:00 GMT
Ah I assumed that he would be a variant of a neighborizer, inviting other townies to a private chat. And that being "friendly" meant unlimited shots. Much better this way.
And I suppose they only have one shot, right? That would be too OP if he could invite other townies to a private chat. But yeah, he's got unlimited shots, just like the PMs over at mafiascum imply. Basically, you might as well just get your role info from mafiascum, that would work too. I didn't even remember that site exists. That's how far from Mafia I drifted. I just posted ITT that I had forgotten about it being RVS time. That was not a lie.
Anyway, this FN (friendly neighbor) is pretty much an IC. This being an open setup everyone will know they're there and there will be no reason to doubt it when another townie reveals that their townie status was confirmed by the mod. Counterclaiming the reveal would obviously be suicidal. And once a second townie gets a mod confirmation their townie status is as solid as an IC's.
So our focus can only be the JK (jailkeeper) and there's nothing we can do about the FN... except for the first Night, when we have two possibilities to hinder them: kill them in our attempt at hitting the JK, or killing the receiver of their message. But that'd be just a misaimed shot of course. I'd much rather hit the JK in the first night.
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Post by atlo on Dec 12, 2023 22:18:32 GMT
Fortunately that damn Friendly Neighbor is something I/we don't have to really worry about right now. I just shudder about that roles power...
Anyway... people are slowly starting to wake up. Everyone, save maxloed and Lift, have atleast 1 post under their belt. ... That sounds so weird for some reason. =P
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Post by atlo on Dec 13, 2023 10:57:52 GMT
In an hour or so I must leave for work. Due to our time difference you will have been online by the time I get back. And hopefully read this. ;D (It's actually nothing important; but might as well share my thoughts.) =)
I haven't thought much about strategy and, I'll be honest, I'd rather make it up as I go because otherwise I'll be too much on edge if I'm not being too obvious about following a strategy. (...) In other words, not much of a strategy other than having basic common sense. =] A reasonable and correct approach! For what it's worth - I will try to stick to my pre-imagined flow of events. And in this regard - here's a little glimpse into my future... [post-type edit]: I typed out what I have planned and when I have planned it but then realised that that just makes things unreasonably complicated! =P
So... I will just type out what I have planned for the next day -- and for tomorrow I have nothing. ;)
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Post by atlo on Dec 13, 2023 22:43:24 GMT
Well this is just awesome... my plan would have been, (kinda actually still is) to draw some lines and state that SupplementScene is Town because he knows the dangers of acting scummy and I don't believe his playstyle has evolved so far to try acting scummy... as scum... (Paraphrased short version. The long version would have gone into more detail.)
The other line - cast a serious vote on CatVenturer. Giving personal reasons and having an excuse standby and whatnot.
The current development, as of this writing however is -- CatVenturer has cast a fit... cast a vote on Scene and gone pouting...
Scene has cast a vote on CatVenturer with the flimsiest of reasons... caught an annoyed ire of trentonlf... and still has Lifthrasil's half-hearted vote cast on him...
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There goes my preconceived flow of events... :/
btw: Does it annoy any of you both that I type with an enlarged font? The default is too small for me. My browser does have a zoom slider, but this seems more convenient.
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Post by atlo on Dec 14, 2023 11:55:53 GMT
I'm going in!!!
I'll ring some bells and draw some attention! Not gonna draw the lines in the sand though... I wanna see what the randomness of other players brings up during the interim.
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 14, 2023 12:38:07 GMT
Joppo thought to let you know he's not gonna be able to access whyquicktopicwhy in at least the next 24 hours, well, as long as he's not close to his home PC.
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Post by atlo on Dec 14, 2023 23:10:59 GMT
Thanks for the heads up!
Oh, if you just so happen to view this forum before checking GOG... emm... be sure both your hands are empty / you're not drinking or eating anything.
My Line in the sand post went through, but... hope you can stand to look at crash sites... you'll understand when you see it...
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Post by joppo on Dec 15, 2023 11:10:58 GMT
Hello Atlo, I'm finally back. I'll just read the most recent events and then present myself back in the game. At the very least I must present my concern and extend a friendly hand towards Lift. I had a few chances to skim read the thread in my phone and felt so sorry for him, but it was impossible to post anything.
BTW, I don't mind the enlarged font by itself, but I do question if it's that useful. My post will probably display in the small font, as did The GOGFather's. So you might need to use the browser's zoom for our posts and then yours will look too big.
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Post by joppo on Dec 15, 2023 18:13:58 GMT
Thanks for the heads up!
Oh, if you just so happen to view this forum before checking GOG... emm... be sure both your hands are empty / you're not drinking or eating anything.
My Line in the sand post went through, but... hope you can stand to look at crash sites... you'll understand when you see it... I'm not sure going primarily for Catventurer was a good choice, because like a feral cat she doesn't let go when feeling threatened. If previous games are any indication she will scrutinize every post of yours from now at least during Day 2. But it is what it is.
Okay the Day is over, let's wait for the flip. I'd feel sad if maxleod was a Town PR... like we got an undeserved advantage.
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 15, 2023 18:39:30 GMT
I'd feel sad if maxleod was a Town PR... like we got an undeserved advantage.
Not only was he playing a Town PR, I also had a lot of fun writing his character. Wew.
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Post by joppo on Dec 15, 2023 19:50:03 GMT
Aw, shucks. The Jailkeeper. The result couldn't have been worse for Town. This outcome makes it even less fun for us too. Most of the usefulness of my PR is in trying to find the JK. Now I might search for the FN, but it might not even matter. They have an IC status from the moment they claim, they have an incentive to claim early. Even if I don't find them they shouldn't take long to reveal themselves. And then it's just a automatic choice to kill them. For all the good evil my PR can do I could be a Goon right now. Well, the game must go on. Who do you think we should target with the NK? And who should I investigate just in case? pooka: What does my rolecop ability tell me if I target the neutral? Just Vanilla?
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 15, 2023 20:07:35 GMT
Yes, just vanilla.
But you gotta admit, the way I showed Miriam the door was explosively dramatic. I liked it.
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Post by joppo on Dec 15, 2023 20:42:04 GMT
Yup, I didn't expect her to break down and resign. I thought Stuart would expel her from the team instead. I liked your way, Stuart is a hate sink already.
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Post by atlo on Dec 16, 2023 0:52:05 GMT
BTW, I don't mind the enlarged font by itself, but I do question if it's that useful. The enlarged font is mostly for myself - so I can check for errors and see if I have conveyed my thoughts clear enough. That I could actually revert to ''normal'' after typing - that I actually did not think of. Yes, I was aware of the risks... I even worded my accusatory post with doubt and tried to be diplomatic -- she still got all up in my face! =P My hope is she will get in everyone's else's face who dares to criticise her and that that will make her appear as desperate scum. But, yeah - she'll be relentless. If anything else - I'll at least try to make it entertaining. =P I admire your optimism! This, being my first time playing on mafias side -- I'm worried I'll slip up and doom us both... so... I'll take any advantage we can get! Why are you asking me!? xD You're the one with the most experience! Ok... let's see... I will have to reread several posts, but from what I can recall... --- Scene - he is, beside me, the Townie who outright calls CatV scum. If we remove him, CatV will concentrate solely on me. Yogs & Microfish - Lift said there's something brewing here? Something useful? MrKrabsWallet - complete wildcard. unknown. Lift - Scene said when he was in a similar situation (Ouch! Like, how dangerous is this game really?!) - playing forum mafia helped him. This does not seem to apply to Lift. Hard to tell how much he plays because he feels obligated. I somewhat partial to remove him from the game and let him concentrate on RL. Plus, I was also following the game on my mobile from work. For a time it seemed an actual no-lynch would happen! Then Lift came and cast a vote on maxloed. Plus#2. I think the Townies would be willing to innocent him. trent - Will reread his posts, but I think this is also a good target. CatV - removing her would remove the CatV problem completely! But something tells me the other players would find this very very suspicious... --- re: Investigation Since there's only a FN as the only Townie PR, who will roleclaim anyway... I'm not sure if there would be a point... Except... Pookas flavor text! ;) And... we would know the roleclaim ahead of any lynch. Go for it! As for who -- coin toss really. -- Oh... I also somehow managed to delete my entire post even in this forum... by accidentally clicking back... just... HOW ?!?! The silver lining of rewrites is - at least they take half as long as the original. :/
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Post by atlo on Dec 16, 2023 0:59:09 GMT
Just reread what I just posted.
It's very realistic the FN will roleclaim as soon as the day starts (just like you said) so the ''knowing role before lnych'' point is moot.
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Post by atlo on Dec 16, 2023 8:40:26 GMT
Ooh! I just remembered something else about CatVenturer!
In those 2 previous game I observed her:
When she was mafia-scum she threatened to leave the game... When she was Town she wrote 5 screen lengths full of text... (Not exaggerating; I ran a word-count on that thing to see if it classifies as a novellete! Surprisingly it didn't even classify as a Short story.)
What has she done on Day1 ? Threatened to leave the game.
Ok, haven't done any rereading yet and have to run of in 15 minutes.
I do have 1 extra thought though that you will probably not like... =P Accuse you! ;D
I'll post more when I get back in 6 hours or so. =] Later, alligator!
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 16, 2023 9:29:58 GMT
Except... Pookas flavor text! ;) Thanks! Hope you liked Miriam's breakdown and her... reveal. I had a lot of fun with this game so far but the breakdown was some more fun.
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Post by joppo on Dec 16, 2023 12:39:44 GMT
Yes, I was aware of the risks... I even worded my accusatory post with doubt and tried to be diplomatic -- she still got all up in my face! =P My hope is she will get in everyone's else's face who dares to criticise her and that that will make her appear as desperate scum. But, yeah - she'll be relentless. If anything else - I'll at least try to make it entertaining. =P The good thing is if you manage to weather her pressure you will look like a townie that has nothing to hide. My strategy, if I was you, would be to not raise the pressure on her and find a way to mention she gets Town points. It's normal that townies would be second guessing themselves after all. Then you still suspect her, but not enough to turn it into a "battle" of sorts that could go either way (including your demise). I won't deny I have butterflies in my stomach. I just think that the game balance suffered a lot with Maxleod's unfortunate early resignation. You will be alright. Just keep acting like the same townie Atlo that was in past games. Keep scumhunting, accuse whoever does scummy stuff. Even if it is me. I wouldn't target Scene, Krabs' or Micro. They have a higher chance of being future mislynches, of which we need 2 more. Yog is a wildcard. He's amazing one game, then acts completely silly the next. I guess it depends on his mood. Tho I admit that by the end of the game he is usually dangerous and savvy. CatV is a possibility but I admit it would raise suspicions on you. Tho you could also WIFOM it as being framed by the Mafia. Trent is a good target indeed. That's who I first thought of. He's smart and very experienced. The only reason that letting him live could work in our favor is that he plays such a identical game as scum that no one will clear him early. You raise a very good point re: Lift. I hadn't thought of that but he might want to leave the game. Lift is usually dangerous too, but in this game he's obviously just going through the motions. Can't blame him for it. @ pooka: Could you ask Lift if he would prefer to be the NK please? If he agrees you can already consider him the target of the NK.We should think of a secondary target in case Lift rejects or doesn't see Pooka's message in time. But I will get to it in my next post.
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Post by atlo on Dec 16, 2023 15:15:33 GMT
My first instinct was to double down on the '' You're mafia!! I am now even more convinced!!'' :D Yeah, that is something that I should be very afraid of... if I appear hell-bent on getting her lynched, but get self-lynched instead - that pretty much clears her as Townie. (If she's the FN at that, then I'm in for a treat. =P )
I won't prod her. With any luck people will have posted before me and I can reply to those posts. Yes. I was about to raise this point... =P I am actually in interested in posting a post that accuses you! xD The general idea: ''Joppo made a RV then dissapeared for 2 days. He might have had RL reasons - how convenient to have an excuse not to post... but let's look at what he did post when he came back... a long wall of text ( trying to appear townie?) Even has his own name listed in the player-list! ( It's like his mafia buddy wrote it for him!) <-- Here I'm counting on the fact that someone would point out how you barely had time to write a long wall of text, but somehow managed to insert a funny remark. Most important of all -- it was all too late! Why post all that when a lynch has already happened!?'' What would all this accomplish? Put some distance between us. If I directly accuse you of being scum and one of should flip - nobody, but the most paranoid conspiracy theorist would think that we work together. The dangers, though are great... 1st) It would drawn unwanted attention. 2nd) This could go either way - a wagon may very well somehow form! If I were to go through with it -- would you have some replies ready ???
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Post by atlo on Dec 16, 2023 15:19:54 GMT
Uhh... I take it I can edit posts in this forum? The quote I missed out on was: My strategy, if I was you, would be to not raise the pressure on her and find a way to mention she gets Town points. It's normal that townies would be second guessing themselves after all. And I couldn't think of a better way to clarify my '' Accuse joppo of trying to appear townie'' thought. I will try to put in better/clearer words later.
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