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Post by atlo on Dec 22, 2023 4:09:11 GMT
What the hell is happening over there!?!?! O_O
Yogs cast a vote on Lift Microfish cast a vote on Lift Scene cast a vote on GR
Nope! I'm not sticking my head anywhere near that mess! I'm barely awake as it is.
I have half a mind to also change my vote on GR for hopping; but have no time and must leave in 5-minutes. I guess it all depends now on what the Townies will do. Even a no-lynch seems possible.
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Post by joppo on Dec 22, 2023 14:39:05 GMT
They're running aimlessly, completely not sure of anything. To be honest I would be in the same situation if I was in their place.
I didn't think I was playing that well, but apparently I've had mostly Town reads. And so did you.
We're not unlynchable but we're far from the bottom. And to be fair, it might be better this way. If we were universally townread they would soon start expecting us to be the target of NKs, and then wonder why we survived the Night.
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Post by atlo on Dec 22, 2023 14:54:30 GMT
I have had yogs, you, GR, micro comment on my ''early'' vote. Scene & Yogs comment on my lurking.
From what I gathered the only scumreads on you are from me and GR. ;) And I called it out first.
My current issue is - my paranoia is driving me mental! In a way - if some wagon materialised out of nowhere and I got lynched - I would be somewhat relieved that it's over.
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Post by joppo on Dec 22, 2023 19:40:56 GMT
LOL everyone gets paranoid the first time they draw Mafia. The trick is in not letting it transpire in the game thread. You're doing great so far.
Well, Yog has been hammered now. Let's wait for the flip just to ensure he was not the neutral, tho I'm almost sure he already said he wasn't.
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Post by atlo on Dec 22, 2023 20:58:37 GMT
It's over... ?! It's actually over ?!?!? Day 2 ended with a townie ''mis-''lynch ?!?!?
Oh brother... I need to gather my thoughts... *deep breath* *deep breath*
*exhale*
. . .
Right... where to even begin!
1.) It seems my paranoia was unfounded?! Huh... Oh, I'm still a suspect (as is everyone else) But seeing how neither yogs, scene or catventurer deemed it necessary to mention my name gives an interesting new perspective... (Up until now I was thinking: ''if i somehow make it into Day 3 - joppo, bus me!!'' But this... is incentive to duty my role and keep on fighting, for better or worse.)
2.) Your Scene prod vote: When I saw it I thought it's a genius move! :D Sow discord and chaos! .. atleast catventurer picked it up as scummy though. Atleast 1 townie will mention this during the next day phase.
3.) So... whom do we actually NK now? CatVenturer & GR seem to be the only viable options. Catventurer being the bigger of the 2. Being a PR and all. The only reason to let her live would be to counterclaim her... But we already pretty much know Scene is the one she contacted Night 1; The chances of her contact_2 being wasted on our NK is... it's not even a gamble... it's suicidal. Plus... you now seemed to have become her no.1 suspect... As it is - I can't think of any reason why she shouldn't be the NK.
4.) Memestar - eh... christmas tree & fireworks ???
5.) RL - Tommorow morning (Your nighttime) I must leave until monday. I will take my mobile phone with me though. I dread typing on that blasted thing, so don't be surprised if I post something poorly structured. As I stated in the other chat -- the next week is actually off for me... so... yeah, that should be interesting. :/ On one hand - I could dedicate my time posting... on the other... I would much rather climb a tree and ride my motorcycle... Finding a balance is going to be fun.
6.)
O_o It seems... CatVenturer and I are more alike than I had realised... (I wasn't lying about what I said about her during Day 1)
7.)
Oh, scene... :'') The poor blokes sick to the point he can barely sit... give him a brake. :'') When this game properly ends -- I will apologise to yogs. Even though it's our ''duty'' to get the townies lynched - I still feel like a bastard for pushing so hard on him. <3 yogs <3
8.) The Neutral Even though the Neutral could go for a easy ''win'' and simply refuse to vote -- I very much suspect that, in the interest of sportsmanship, the Neutral will play along and try to find us. I have half a mind to open Day 3 with a Post that goes something like: ''Don't reveal yourself. Play along. Whether you decide to cast a vote at the end of the day is up to you.'' Hell, a lynch of scum... that sounds so wrong =P ... even means another day of playtime! \o/ Not my thing actually - I wasn't lying about not having to worry anymore. :''D But.. another playday is more fun for you guys I guess... =P
9.) Approach / Strategy at Day 3 Well you have already made clear how your approach to plans is! xD Despite the revelation that I might not be so scummy as my paranoia told me... I still have half a mind to simply resign. =] In this regard - my approach would be to completely seperate and accuse each other... If we actually do get the other killed... it would only lead to the aforementioned extra playday.
Final thought.
I'm still riding the shockwave of emotions. I actually don't really grasp what I just speedball typed/posted up there.
Speedball - A Speedball is a mixture of the illicit drugs Heroin and Cocaine.
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Post by atlo on Dec 22, 2023 21:10:36 GMT
Somehow forgot this. ROFL xD That is actually very funny! :'D
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Post by joppo on Dec 23, 2023 3:29:21 GMT
Somehow forgot this. ROFL xD That is actually very funny! :'D xD Well, now that D2 is over AND we have confirmation that the neutral is still alive, let's take care of our duties first and foremost. Starting with the NK. I don't understand why you said that NKing GR is a possibility. I would definitely leave him alive. The more I think the more I am convinced our target can't be anyone other than Catventurer. Maybe she decided not to claim during D2 because she expects to survive until only 3-4 players remain (one scum), when she suddenly pulls a reveal and raises Town's chances of aiming correctly. But I don't think that's it. She will probably claim as soon as D3 starts, be recognized as a confirmed townie right away and then try to take me down. SO there are three good reasons to choose her: she is unlynchable, everyone will be sure she doesn't have a hidden agenda, and she will aim at me. With Scene echoing her attacks they might even convince others against me.
For a moment I entertained NKing Scene who is in the same wavelength as her. But he doesn't have the towncred she possesses now, much less after her claim. Naturally I will receive some flak for her demise, especially from Scene. I don't think he will even think of any other theory than scum!joppo . But I think I can WIFOM it into "I am being framed for CatV's death." Plus, the fact that she is the FN will help us plant the doubt that "maybe scum discovered her PR and decided to kill her for it and joppo had nothing to do with it." As long as Scene can't convince all the townies and the neutral I'm more than okay. So don't rush to buss me. Let us see how the rest of the players will react.
The fact that the neutral is out there is a major danger to Town. They have no idea who they will side with. If the neutral decide to take the easy win and just refuse to vote we win. In fact I could even start the Day admitting to be scum (still keeping you hidden) and inviting them to win with us. But I don't want to go this way because a) I think everyone will want the game to be the most fun and it's a bit dick-ish to Town to defeat them this way; and b) we can't be sure the neutral will want to abandon Town to win. For example Micro is a very nice guy and I have no doubt he wouldn't even consider ditching Town like that just for a victory.
I suppose there will be some pressure to have everyone vote, simply to show they're not a neutral siding with scum. And that is where we can use both our trump cards: they don't know we have Daychat and we only need ONE vote on anyone that is not us to perform a quickhammer!
Shall we settle on NK'ing Catventurer then?
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Post by atlo on Dec 23, 2023 7:17:05 GMT
Game has been suspended until January the 1st! (Right, Pooka did mention he's considering this...) I can climb that damn tree! \o/
I'm pretty sure they know about daychat. Pooka has stated multiple times how he likes games to have daychat. The sign-up thread, I think, also hinted at that. I actually did not realise the thing about ONE vote! Due to our time differences timing it would be difficult and I'm worried someone would take the risk and actually use it as bait ''Oh, there is a second vote? I retract mine! I think it's clear now who the mafia are... guess your buddy wasn't fast enough, huh?'' Yes, It seems CatVenturer is the only reasonable choice.
bop Catventurer and set memestar to something festive (Even though the first day of a new year is not exactly festive, so the point will be somewhat moot by then... :''D)
Please don't. :'')
Yes, this for the best.
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Right, this about settles everything then for now. It's high past time I disappear... And with the game having been suspended until the 1st of January - we are in no rush.
Merry Christmas, may you have a joyful fest and all the best! =] (hihi, that actually rimed! xD)
P.S. Pooka - congrats on being able to finally post links again! ;)
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 23, 2023 9:16:18 GMT
P.S. Pooka - congrats on being able to finally post links again! ;) Thanks! Man, it feels liberating. I know all it took is a pair of empty quotes to bypass it, but still. I've had to live with it for years. I'm now at 18 rep, but I like it better where rep is not visible. I wish it's been completely abolished too and let us judge the posters on their own merit.
Come to think about it, I haven't mentioned in the rules that any secret chats will be active during the day. I didn't mean to turn this into a point of speculation, so... I might as well amend the rules for that. Yeah, done. Honestly I think we're having a lot more games with daychats because of my games encouraging them. You saw how Joe's bizarro game had one recently, don't remember which else - man we've been in a slump.
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 23, 2023 10:28:10 GMT
Do expect a flavor post from me for this combo of two weekends and one week, but I'll probs do it at my own pace.
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Post by joppo on Dec 23, 2023 17:34:50 GMT
I'm pretty sure they know about daychat. Pooka has stated multiple times how he likes games to have daychat. The sign-up thread, I think, also hinted at that. Well, technically they might suspect daychat due to Pooka's history of liking it and regularly putting it into his games, but it's not a given. And I didn't remember it being mentioned in the sign-up thread... but I remember Pooka said that no one should take anything said there as proof of the setup. Anyway, we can't bet they won't think it up or eventually notice Pooka's latest amendment, but if they don't we have a bigger advantage. I just expected that if they knew of daychat they would have mentioned it already.
Yeah we will have to be careful and only place one vote after confirming that the other is ready to hammer. The absence of daychat would make it almost impossible. But with this thread we can both see the other is online and prepare the quick posts to go online in an extremely narrow time. And if we're lucky the owner of the misplaced vote won't be around, so even a small delay between our votes won't be a problem. The other townies can't unvote for them. Our time zone differences are an obstacle but it's nothing we can't handle with due planning.
Wait a second! How can I be so dumb? We need two votes, not one. I was thinking like we were an odd number of players but we're even. A majority of 6 needs 4 votes. Ah crap. Forget the quickhammer, we'll have to do this the hard way.
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Post by The GOGFather on Dec 30, 2023 21:38:42 GMT
"Cheers!" Natsuko held up her glass of wine.
"Kanpai!" Amanda on the other hand held up her glass of sake, and amazingly enough, without angering Natsuko as their glasses touched.
"Merry Christmas!" Natsuko gulped the wine in one go, unaware of any American customs.
"Same to you," Amanda began sipping her sake. "Say, what will we do when we get back to work? I haven't figured out the theme of-"
"You remember that Hanks guy or whatever from that movie we watched the other day?" Natsuko beamed up. "Maybe he did something... festive. Look, I'm out of ideas. He was kind of interesting in that island survival movie thing, you know."
Amanda thought about this for a while. "Well, closest thing that comes to mind is... Toy Story?"
Nats extended her cup to Amanda, who refilled it with more wine. Curiously enough, that what Nats was supposed to do for Amanda, who just filled her own sake instead - as if subtly dissing Japanese sake customs, though it's unclear if Nats realized or even knew what was going on.
"Nah, how is that even festive?" Nats shrugged. "I mean sure, toys, but where's the Christmas hats and stuff?"
"Hmmmm...that gives me an idea." Amanda pulled out her phone to quickly look up something. "Oh... of course."
"What's it?" Nats inched closer to Amanda, looking at her phone. "The Polar Express? What's that?"
"Christmas classic," Amanda answered excitedly. "He voices like six characters there, like the Conductor and Santa Claus and-"
"Okay okay okay," Nats also seemed excited, "Conductor and Santa, lovely combo. I hope we're the only ones who get it."
Amanda giggled. "Would be funny if we are."
The unlikely "mafiosos" would watch the movie later in the night, blown away by the dated but still impressive visuals, surprisingly non-violent yet very American action, and the enchanting, alluring soundtrack...until the credits rolled, when Natsuko had her eyebrow raised.
"HERO BOY!? HERO GIRL!? How don't they have FUCKING NAMES for Christ's sake!"
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Post by atlo on Jan 1, 2024 21:27:09 GMT
Day 3 has started!
I may have been hasty with my post, but I wanted to get something ''tame'' in before the others. There are some things I wish I could have worded differently - but I guess that's the case with every post. :/ You'll notice I put you in my ''scummy'' list... :'')
I know you said: ''Don't rush to buss me.'' -- My hope is - the things I listed should be enough to cast reasonable doubt, but not enough to have a wagon form.
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Post by joppo on Jan 2, 2024 0:36:36 GMT
I suppose it might get to a bout between Scene and me. I can't back down now and I don't think he will either, unless someone else makes something scummy enough to take his eyes off me.
This can go any of two ways. I might get to convince enough people that Scene's turnaround is strange and get two townies to vote him; or he can get me lynched because, well I'll be honest, I did mess up a bit. If it goes this way don't worry you're still looking towny enough to carry us to win in a final 4.
You did good in that post of yours. You expressed suspicion of both him and me. This way you can swing either way. If you see there's no way I can survive toDay unlynched then go for it, but until then hold your vote.
Don't worry that he called you the other half of the scumteam. It just looks like he's OMGUSing against you. Him nailing the scumteam is one thing, but getting the rest of Town to agree with that assessment? He doesn't have anything against you! I mean, he said you attempted to appear LAMIST for not mentioning something you did mention. No one is going to follow that thought. He is only right for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by atlo on Jan 3, 2024 16:54:11 GMT
I suppose it might get to a bout between Scene and me. I can't back down now and I don't think he will either, unless someone else makes something scummy enough to take his eyes off me. The bigger problem, as I see it, is not Scene eyeing you, but you (Or actually none of us, townies included!) having anyone else we can find scummy... I did some re-reading on microfish -- apart from those 2 wacky reasons, there was a 3rd why people found him scummy -- his low effort posting, or general lack of posting. Well, surprise, surprise!!! Day 3 has started and he puts in a reasonable post... Others may try to restart his '' wagon'', but currently I don't see that happening. Lift is AFK -- that may become a blessing in disguise - having 1 player less posting could be used as an excuse '' Then why should I post something?!'' Except at the same time - everyone using this excuse will be auto-labeled as scummy! :''D I did put in GR as my nr.1 suspect -- but my reasons for doing so are borderline Conspiracy Theory territory. His sudden turnaround is not the only reason people already see scene as scummy. The problem is - he may very well manage to weasel himself out of being considered scum. :/ Another problem is - my backup plan, siding with scene and bussing you, hinges on posting things that make Scene look innocent -- that is something I do not want to do just yet for obvious reasons!!! :''D I don't see it that way. You questioning him looks well reasoned. The problem is - if Scene weasels himself out - you're next in the crossfire. :/
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Post by atlo on Jan 3, 2024 17:59:59 GMT
As it stands - I do have some small scummy things to say about Scene, but I hope that the other players will somehow come upon them. (Unfortunately I forgot them when I went for a walk, so I can't list them for future reference!!! ARGH!!)
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Post by joppo on Jan 5, 2024 15:28:02 GMT
Another problem is - my backup plan, siding with scene and bussing you, hinges on posting things that make Scene look innocent -- that is something I do not want to do just yet for obvious reasons!!! :''D Not necessarily. You can just declare that whatever I said last was scummy enough to tip off the balance towards me. Unfortunately, if it gets to the point I'm lynched scene will be a trusted townie and therefore has to be the NK. Thus all that work that went into painting him as possible scum will be lost. I don't see it that way. You questioning him looks well reasoned. The problem is - if Scene weasels himself out - you're next in the crossfire. :/ Nah, I did mess up a bit indeed. My plan wasn't bad, just ill-timed. I realized that I had that angle of attack way too late into D2. Had I made that same post with 12 hours to EoD I would be completely chill while scene would be in very hot water. I should have just pointed out the inconsistency without the vote, but I actually wanted to save Yogs... :]
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Post by atlo on Jan 5, 2024 15:46:57 GMT
You are online!!! \o/I was getting scared you are lost. =)My current hope is that the Neutral takes the win and just let's us end this silly game already!!! I'm serious. I have accepted victory. I have accepted defeat. All I want is just this game to be finally over with.
I currently have thought of 2 posts - 1 where I join you on scene's wagon. The other - where I bus you. :/ All I'm waiting for currently is any news from the neutral or a really really random scummy post from anyone else. I should have just pointed out the inconsistency without the vote, but I actually wanted to save Yogs... :] Oh you! xD
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Post by joppo on Jan 5, 2024 19:22:20 GMT
lol. Don't worry, I just haven't posted much because there hasn't been much I needed to address and didn't find ways to deepen the "scene must be scum" narrative. But when I did I posted #264.
By now I'm 70% sure that the Neutral is GR (and 30% microfish).
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Post by atlo on Jan 5, 2024 19:52:29 GMT
I just noticed Lift suggested Town not to lynch at all. Any advice? Should I remove my vote and we go for another day?
I'm close to resigning. That's how fed up I am with this game. BUT I'm also willing to soldier through this till the end. :/
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Post by atlo on Jan 5, 2024 19:56:00 GMT
Yeah, I'll actually do that. Lift is town. We kill him and If you're right about GR, he'll probably cast his vote the same. In any case - with Lift dead we don't have to worry about accidentally killing the Neutral. The Neutral siding with Town would be most unwise.
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Post by atlo on Jan 5, 2024 20:15:16 GMT
Ah, the joys of being Eastern European...
Why do I put myself through this. :'')
Well, I didn't lie about having to go to work tomorrow, so enough suffering for the moment.
We'll get to play another day! Oh, joy!!
Fuck me.... >_<
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Post by joppo on Jan 5, 2024 22:29:07 GMT
Eh, don't worry too much about it. We just need to not screw up hard.
In theory I could become D4's lynch, but I still think we are at an advantage over Scene. And you're still among the least likely to take the lynch. If I bite it toMorrow I'm sure you'll be able to handle it.
I'll talk to you about NK targets later. Right now the missus is starting to get annoyed that I need to help her clean the house.
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Post by joppo on Jan 6, 2024 12:51:12 GMT
Well we gotta plan around this NL. I had hopes that Micro would come and cast a vote on scene before Lift proposed the NL or at least before you logged out for the night but he probably was RL busy.
So now we need to decide on a victim. Of our 4 options scene clearly (at first) can't be chosen as he's our best hope for a lynch that is not us. And a lynch is definitely coming toMorrow.
Choosing GR probably would be bad for us, as he has sided with me and we need one player on our side. I think that the chance that Micro will turn against us is higher than GR's.
Killing Lift appears the best choice at first, what with us removing Scene's main supporter. But I fear that this would be enough to make Micro and GR realize that scum has been removing Scene's support and turn both against me.
If we kill Micro we can insinuate that, if Lift is Town, Scene killed Micro to make Lift change to his secondary target: me. As long as GR doesn't turn against me it's okay, even if Lift will. The small problem with this plan is that we kinda risk hitting the neutral, which means we can't get the easy win of him siding with us. But the harder win is still fairly viable.
There's also a very bizarre plan that could work: killing Scene. At first it appears insane because then I'm next on the chopping block, but... "why would scum!Joppo NK the townie that could get the lynch in his stead? Maybe this was a TxT conflict after all". So everyone is back to "possible scum" and Town gets to scratch their heads the whole Day. Bear in mind however, that this means anyone could be the next lynch, even you.
I suggest we target Micro. What says you?
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Post by atlo on Jan 7, 2024 8:51:18 GMT
Apologies for coming in so late, but I had enough of Forum mafia; anyway: Killing Lift appears the best choice at first, what with us removing Scene's main supporter. But I fear that this would be enough to make Micro and GR realize that scum has been removing Scene's support and turn both against me. If we kill Micro we can insinuate that, if Lift is Town, Scene killed Micro to make Lift change to his secondary target: me. As long as GR doesn't turn against me it's okay, even if Lift will. There's also a very bizarre plan that could work: killing Scene. At first it appears insane because then I'm next on the chopping block, but... I suggest we target Micro. What says you? I'm for removing Lift. Simply because he is a larger threat and no one comes up with the idea he is scum. Micro made a total of 3 posts the last day - 1 of which was lengthy and enough to eliminate 1 reason why he had a wagon the 1st day. The other 2 were: A question. ''I dunno. My gut told me to.'' Plus he was Lift's, who would now become a confirmed Townie, main suspect. The thing about: What with us removing Scene's main supporter. But I fear that this would be enough to make Micro and GR realize that scum has been removing Scene's support and turn both against me. Is that - you don't have worry about ''removing scenes support'', but the fact Lift is the towniest of all -- He did came through with the Lynch at the end of Day 1; He did notice a NL is beneficial for Town. I did not notice this! And neither did anyone else, apparently. Another thing is that - I too am supporting Scene; but that dope does not seem to realise this!!! I did make that lengthy '' Scene acting scummy is normal! That is not really a reason to vote for him. You have to look for Town tells.'' Would I have made my vote so ''I'm not sure about this... apologies If your Town, but a lynch HAS to happen!'' Would I have removed my vote to a no-lynch otherwise? Plus, Scene's last post was: He now thinks GR & I are scum! >_< In a way that does make sense - GR recast his vote without any reasoning and I followed suit without calling this out.
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Post by atlo on Jan 7, 2024 11:36:18 GMT
Just had a few more morning thoughts...
If anything - a Scene NK is not so bizarre afterall. While his scuminess should be reason enough for him to get lynched - from a townies perspective - there is still 1 other scum in the game beside him. Well, what is his partner doing then?
It can't be you because you both were at each others throat the entire day. IF Scene comes out with the ''hmm... maybe, joppo isn't scum afterall...'' You too could retract your accusations with any justification: ''Why did GR recast his vote so abruptly? Why did microfish not vote at all? Why did Atlo put Scene at L1?''
[I could then come out that my most silliest and craziest conspiracy theory actually did came true!!! Whilst not exactly ''remove vote'' style, but both have relented from each other. Why then take the silly risk of creating scum-scum wagons is beyond any reasonable understanding though.] [But I should probably keep such a comment to myself.]
It can't be GR because at 1-1-1 vote there would be no reason for him to cast a vote on his scummbuddy.
It can't be me because at 2-1-1 I would not put my scummbuddy at L-1.
It could be Lift though, seeing how he did post 1 comment of scenes suspect behaviour, but has otherwise not engaged too much against him. AND He is the one who, despite recently calling out that yes, scene is indeed scummy, came out with the - actually... we shouldn't vote today... a NL is town-beneficial.
It could be microfish - microfish, also called scene scummy, but has not otherwise engaged against him. Much less cast a vote.
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The problem with all this is -- judging by the current engagement of townies
GR's
microfish's
I trust the only one to notice, realise and call this out is -- Lift. But Lift is 1 of 2 potential Scum!scene's scummbuddies -- that only leaves micro as the only possible scummbuddy.
It's enough to call this out 1x for the entire playerbase to realise this. And with Lift having been Towniest so far - the only realistic combo would be the scene-microfish combo.
By eliminating Scene we eliminate the narrow suspect pool of Scene-microfish/Lift
--- (I somehow lost my train of thought here - I wanted to point out how NK'ing scene would reshuffle the deck, but not reshuffling the deck is what we want.) ---
I'm still for removing Lift from the game. If we remove microfish - apart from the possibility that he, somehow, is the Neutral, but has not realised the favourable position he is in (I'm probably giving him too less credit; GR is the neutral.) By removing microfish we eliminate Lifts only suspect and, with me having very similar thoughts to his, he is bound to turn towards either you or GR.
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Post by atlo on Jan 7, 2024 12:03:46 GMT
A few more thoughts: (Apart from the fact that I most likely have read some reads wrong; these have most likely changed during the night; But for what it's worth:)
[Edit: after the NK most of these reads will become null and void.]
--- Town!joppo: ---
Scene - Scum. Micro - ??? Lift - Probably town. Atlo - Probably town. GR - Neutral who does not care which way the wind blows.
--- GR (For safety reasons we must treat the neutral as town) ---
Scene - Scum. joppo - Probably town. Lift - Probably town. Atlo - Probably town? Micro - ???
--- supplementscene ---
GR - Scum! Atlo - Probably scum! joppo - Looked like scum, could be scum, but maybe is actually dumb townie?? Micro - Most likely Neutral. Has he allied with town? Lift - Definitely town.
--- Lift ---
micro - Scum. joppo - Scum. GR - Probably scum. Atlo - Probably town. scene - Probably town.
--- town!atlo ---
all: Can swing either way.
--- microfish ---
????
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Post by joppo on Jan 7, 2024 15:06:36 GMT
I wouldn't say that Scene thinks you and GR are the scum, but that he is not 100% convinced that I can't be Town. In which case he supposes that the most likely pair is GR and you. I still maintain that his main theory, and one he wouldn't abandon unless something happens that alters things significantly (like someone else saying something utterly scummy), has me as the most likely to be scum. As for Lift being "the towniest of all" and thus unlynchable, I have no problem with that. We don't need him to be the lynch: any mislynch will do. Sorry but, as far as the remaining 3townies+1neutal rate in the scale of NKs, Lift is the one I would have the least desire to choose. Simply because it could throw me to the deepest end of the scummy perception scale of the remaining players. I intend for us to discuss this to a consensus, but just in case: BOP Microfish to resignationJust to ensure that the Night doesn't end without a target at all. That would be dumbest scum screw up of all time. I'm perfectly willing to listen and be convinced to change the target, however.
Whoops. I hadn't refreshed and seen your last two posts. I'm leaving for lunch lunch and will reply in a couple hours. Sorry.
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Post by atlo on Jan 7, 2024 15:11:35 GMT
If we kill Micro we can insinuate that, if Lift is Town, Scene killed Micro to make Lift change to his secondary target: me. As long as GR doesn't turn against me it's okay, even if Lift will. The small problem with this plan is that we kinda risk hitting the neutral, which means we can't get the easy win of him siding with us. But the harder win is still fairly viable. The issue I have with this is - oh, Lift would definitely turn against you! While I admire your ability to work under pressure I would much rather deal with someone who makes 3 posts during an entire week and doesn't even cast a vote versus someone who has now saved Townies 2x at twilight already. Micro is a complete wildcard - he can go either way. It is for this reason I wouldn't want to point out that he can be the only possible Scum!scene partner. He's just as likely to vote for absolutely anyone, and we only need 1 vote on somebody else than us to coordinate a hammer. The issue with my approach is - it all depends on how GR swings. If he comes out and states ''I am TN'' then it all comes down to only 2 possible options: a joppo-atlo scumteam or a scene-micro scumteam. If he doesn't move away from scene - all is good. If we take scene's last post at face value he'll be focusing on me & GR at the start of the day anyway.
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Post by atlo on Jan 7, 2024 15:14:08 GMT
I have also noticed that, like 4x times already you had posted 5 minutes before I refreshed the page! :D Whoops. I hadn't refreshed and seen your last two posts. I'm leaving for lunch lunch and will reply in a couple hours. Sorry.
Yeah, ok, I'll check up in 2 hours or some-such and read over your post in the meantime. =] [EDIT:] Have now read your post. I wouldn't say that Scene thinks you and GR are the scum, but that he is not 100% convinced that I can't be Town. In which case he supposes that the most likely pair is GR and you. I still maintain that his main theory, and one he wouldn't abandon unless something happens that alters things significantly (like someone else saying something utterly scummy), has me as the most likely to be scum. You think so?! O_o While he hasn't put you back into the ''Townie'' pile, even considering that you may be Townie is an unexpected turnaround. Sorry but, as far as the remaining 3townies+1neutal rate in the scale of NKs, Lift is the one I would have the least desire to choose. Simply because it could throw me to the deepest end of the scummy perception scale of the remaining players. Care to elaborate? O_o --- Small update regarding Microfishies flip ---The problem is - we would actually have to hope micro is TN. Scene views us 3 (GR, you, me) as scummy. Lift would view you and.. also, probably, GR as scummy. Maybe scene. But I fear for the worst - he would realise scene cannot have any scummbuddy. Assuming those both eye GR -- he would have to come out as TN. You would not have any choice but to counter-claim.
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