The Aethereum

[The GOGFather]

Full of wandering watchful spirits and the souls of those who have been recently sent to the great beyond(usually via airlock),
this be where the aforementioned can congregate and converse on the game and the events unfolding within.

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Sage is town, hates my unusual play, and is snapping at Catv for their own unusual play because of it.

Pooka's post is interesting. I Feel much better about them today than yesterday already.

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Trent appeared to be anticipating being checked but I was tending towards Scene bussing Trent earlier. GG we win hopefully I think.

Also Catv misunderstood my towncase of Micro as well as what I lied about. I'm too level 100 for anybody to understand me I guess.

[CarnethystPhoenix]

You should probably add a rule against quoting role PMs in the future. LOL.

[The GOGFather]

Usually that rule is in place. Paraphrasing is OK, quoting not.

[The GOGFather]

But in this game we forgot to add the usual rules preamble

[The GOGFather]

Jul 12, 2023 8:37:05 GMT The GOGFather said:

But in this game we forgot to add the usual rules preamble

(the above bit is GOGFather Lift, and this post is by GOGFather GR)

I figured most(if not all) the current players are regulars with a number of games(on GOG forums) under their belt,
so to save time and make the first posts a bit quicker/etc to read I shortened it down to the following:

Also the usual:
No editing posts(unless you have super happy fun mod powers like me and Lift)
Votes must be bolded, and there must only be one vote in a post for it to count
etc etc


(edit)

Decided to go and add this bit to the rules in Post 1:
Players cannot quote ENTIRE role PMs in their posts.....short snippets are okay, tho

[pooka]

Jul 9, 2023 16:00:38 GMT CarnethystPhoenix said:

Pooka's post is interesting. I Feel much better about them today than yesterday already.

[pooka]

I anticipated like so many scenarios for how the last day would end. All of them forecast me doing the best I can to get Catventurer lynched, all of them didn't bother to have a plan for how D3 would play out if I came out victorious (I was expecting instant-lynch).

Micro voting me and then Catventurer doing a fatal switcheroo was not one of them, lol.

[Catventurer]

Jul 16, 2023 6:04:30 GMT pooka said:

Micro voting me and then Catventurer doing a fatal switcheroo was not one of them, lol.

I was really determined to have you lynched, even if I had to lynch myself first to make it happen.

[pooka]

Jul 19, 2023 2:31:18 GMT Catventurer said:

Jul 16, 2023 6:04:30 GMT pooka said:

Micro voting me and then Catventurer doing a fatal switcheroo was not one of them, lol.

I was really determined to have you lynched, even if I had to lynch myself first to make it happen.

Well, we were on the same page! Kinda... like the opposites of that same page. The whole point of my play was to get you offed on D2 so we would make use of the more reliable lynch than our nightkill. So in a sense, you being lynched first was actually what I wanted and I had hoped town would be more willing to listen to me instead of straight up going "your defense is good but i still believe Catv, if you're scum you deserve headpats uwu".

I was actually bouncing around ideas with my team on what we'd do if you managed to see the light of Day 3. Fortunately and also unfortunately we don't have to worry about those now.

Thanks for the challenge, by the way. Last I had that kind of conflict was in Joe's bizarro game from a year back or so.

[pooka]

oh yeah I should've posted this when we got the news:

[Catventurer]

Jul 12, 2023 8:36:10 GMT The GOGFather said:

Usually that rule is in place. Paraphrasing is OK, quoting not.

I didn't quote the whole thing. There was also no rule saying not to... plus person(s) were demanding that I tell exactly what it said.

[Catventurer]

Jul 19, 2023 5:53:05 GMT pooka said:

Jul 19, 2023 2:31:18 GMT Catventurer said:

I was really determined to have you lynched, even if I had to lynch myself first to make it happen.

Well, we were on the same page! Kinda... like the opposites of that same page. The whole point of my play was to get you offed on D2 so we would make use of the more reliable lynch than our nightkill. So in a sense, you being lynched first was actually what I wanted and I had hoped town would be more willing to listen to me instead of straight up going "your defense is good but i still believe Catv, if you're scum you deserve headpats uwu".

I was actually bouncing around ideas with my team on what we'd do if you managed to see the light of Day 3. Fortunately and also unfortunately we don't have to worry about those now.

Thanks for the challenge, by the way. Last I had that kind of conflict was in Joe's bizarro game from a year back or so.

I was pretty sure that I would be lynched on Day 2 then on Day 3 really would go down like this:

Pooka: "I know it says that she had a town-aligned investigation role, but it's Catventurer were talking about here. Does anyone actually believe that she can find anything at all when no cats are involved? I'm Town Town Town."

Town: "That works for us. Pooka is town."

[The GOGFather]

Jul 19, 2023 14:43:11 GMT Catventurer said:

I didn't quote the whole thing. There was also no rule saying not to...

(preamble: the one you replied to earlier was Co-Mod Lift, I am Co-Mod GR)
That's because I never put one in place to begin with. Also no worries, yer good :)

[Catventurer]

Jul 20, 2023 0:46:18 GMT The GOGFather said:

Jul 19, 2023 14:43:11 GMT Catventurer said:

I didn't quote the whole thing. There was also no rule saying not to...

(preamble: the one you replied to earlier was Co-Mod Lift, I am Co-Mod GR)
That's because I never put one in place to begin with. Also no worries, yer good :)

Maybe there should be a rule saying to not demand the contents of PMs in addition to a rule saying don't quote PMs....

Otherwise you're saying it's okay to hassle someone about what the PM says exactly.

[pooka]

Jul 19, 2023 14:49:02 GMT Catventurer said:

Town: "That works for us. Pooka is town."

That would've been awesome, but I wasn't holding my breath. In hindsight, I would've survived on D3 if I self voted myself before L-1.

Oh yeah, I can tell you what I was planning - if you didn't hammer me at work. Basically I would've claimed some sort of Town Unreliable Doctor. The way it works is I attach a device to my door and since I'm Geraldine and I lost the manual for the device (despite paying hefty sums for it), I wouldn't have any idea how it worked, short for its main use: beep on intruders and any tampering to doors and locks. But since I forgot what the beeping was about, I would get told that my device beeped, or didn't. (In theory, it would beep if someone tries to get into my room, and won't if nothing happens. In practice, I get to decide because I'm SUSian and I get to make anything up for fun).

The even sillier thing was that I was actually planning to forge GR's flavor down to imitating his writing style, just so I can add a little bit of quote-unquote "truth" to my claim. Seeing as Micro put me on L-1 and asked for a claim, I figured this was the perfect moment to do it. By doing it, I show that I didn't self-yeet myself out of the game like scum players like to do, throw one last-chance ditch effort to save myself, and if even that didn't sway anyone, I could still self-yeet myself.

[Catventurer]

Jul 20, 2023 9:09:10 GMT pooka said:

Jul 19, 2023 14:49:02 GMT Catventurer said:

Town: "That works for us. Pooka is town."

That would've been awesome, but I wasn't holding my breath. In hindsight, I would've survived on D3 if I self voted myself before L-1.

Oh yeah, I can tell you what I was planning - if you didn't hammer me at work. Basically I would've claimed some sort of Town Unreliable Doctor. The way it works is I attach a device to my door and since I'm Geraldine and I lost the manual for the device (despite paying hefty sums for it), I wouldn't have any idea how it worked, short for its main use: beep on intruders and any tampering to doors and locks. But since I forgot what the beeping was about, I would get told that my device beeped, or didn't. (In theory, it would beep if someone tries to get into my room, and won't if nothing happens. In practice, I get to decide because I'm SUSian and I get to make anything up for fun).

The even sillier thing was that I was actually planning to forge GR's flavor down to imitating his writing style, just so I can add a little bit of quote-unquote "truth" to my claim. Seeing as Micro put me on L-1 and asked for a claim, I figured this was the perfect moment to do it. By doing it, I show that I didn't self-yeet myself out of the game like scum players like to do, throw one last-chance ditch effort to save myself, and if even that didn't sway anyone, I could still self-yeet myself.

If you tried claiming that you're an Unreliable Doctor that knows if someone enters your room or not, I'd call you a liar if I saw the post. The Doctor role protects from night kills, while the Motion Detector (and its variants) is the role that detects movement.... Therefore you are mafia because:

1> You're claiming to be a Motion Detector but calling it Doctor. (i.e. getting the role claim wrong)

2> I already said on Day 1 that there are no Doctors because it would be overkill for town to have a Doctor when GR put the failure into the mafia night kill.

3> Because my role power expires after I find one mafia, there is no Mafia Godfather in the game.

4> Because there is no Mafia Godfather, there is no Motion Detector in the game either.

5> You're claiming roles that aren't in this game.

6> Most importantly, I investigated you and know you're mafia.

I'm pretty sure that your mafia teammate is Sage. It isn't just because she did an incredible job of discrediting me on Day 2. It's that she's also now voting for Scene when there was a successful night kill, which suggests that he's in fact town-aligned.

The facts are that Scene was gone for almost all of Day 2, and it's been over 24 hours since Day 3 started. I'm just looking at it from the moderator angle that no mod is going to be okay with someone being gone for almost all of Day 2, coming online to do the night kill, then going back to not participating during Day 3. I also think that it goes without saying that I really do not believe that Scene would even do something like that in the first place.

edit - typo fix

[pooka]

Well, I haven't exactly worked out most of the details with my teammate as I wasn't too stuck (in-game) to actually have to think really hard about it, it was just a backup plan that I came up with in case things weren't going so smoothly.

About the motion detector thing, I could prolly defend myself saying "you're assuming the beeping implies motion detector. It could be a successful protection, or something else. I dunno, all I know is GR said I can protect people and sometimes this device may or may not beep." Also, since "unreliable", doctors could have a fail rate too... hmm, should I tell you? Actually, whatever, you'll notice it eventually. Mafia have a hidden modifier that increases their kill chance to 100% if one of us bite the dust, and it's effective on the next Night. So starting from Night 3, that's where an unreliable doctor would (theoretically) come in handy - late game stuff

Also, point 4 is not really valid I think. In this game, I was Mafia Role-Cop to GR's Mafia Barkeeper (Medium (he could talk with me even after I got lynched)). What got GR ultimately lynched was that Catte was a motion detector and he pretty much spotted GR doing the nightkill. No mafia godfather shenanigans. I think GR and I went like "meh, motion detector is a meme, we'll look for something better", Catte hit the jackpot, and we got pinched in the butt for it.

Point 5, I think this is a closed setup so I don't know what roles are in the game. Someone, Micro?, keeps talking about bus drivers but I think they're the unlikelier role to show up here than a doctor. And for Point 6, well, I know and you know what's actually going on, the point is in the theatrics to convince everyone else our version of what happened :D

I'm trying to see where you think voting for scene incriminates Sage but I don't quite see it. I think I almost saw it at one point but then I couldn't connect the dots. What I gathered is scene is 90% possibly not the one pulling off the nightkill, and that's actually a good start...huh. I think I do now. If scene has been absent this whole time, then logically he couldn't have pulled off that nightkill. Huh.

[pooka]

Okay, but it's not necessarily that voting for scene specifically on Day 3 makes her the scum. Reading back, I also see Trent putting his money on Sage or, indeed, Scene. He chose Sage ultimately but yeah, Scene was on the cards for him already.

I'd wait to see more from everyone, to be honest.

[Catventurer]

Jul 20, 2023 21:32:17 GMT pooka said:

Okay, but it's not necessarily that voting for scene specifically on Day 3 makes her the scum. Reading back, I also see Trent putting his money on Sage or, indeed, Scene. He chose Sage ultimately but yeah, Scene was on the cards for him already.

I'd wait to see more from everyone, to be honest.

It's suspicious because it's an abrupt change of voting behavior versus Day 1 and Day 2.

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Sage changing their reads after a Mafioso has been flipped is natural.

...But I can't see why they scumread Scene?

I Noticed a derp by Trent that might be clearing when looking back.

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Pooka probably just slipped that it's Sage anyways.

[pooka]

Jul 21, 2023 2:28:38 GMT CarnethystPhoenix said:

Pooka probably just slipped that it's Sage anyways.

Hi again

Where I do that

[Catventurer]

Jul 21, 2023 10:15:54 GMT pooka said:

Jul 21, 2023 2:28:38 GMT CarnethystPhoenix said:

Pooka probably just slipped that it's Sage anyways.

Hi again

Where I do that

You didn't slip anything. Frost is just being nobody believes that I can find anything when it doesn't involve cats. (I take no offense.)

Based on how things are currently playing out, I think that Dedo is coming to the conclusion in Post #440 that Scene is town-aligned due to there being a successful night kill and still being absent.

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Jul 21, 2023 10:15:54 GMT pooka said:

Jul 21, 2023 2:28:38 GMT CarnethystPhoenix said:

Pooka probably just slipped that it's Sage anyways.

Hi again

Where I do that

"not necessarily"

[CarnethystPhoenix]

I Haven't been paying much attention but if it isn't Sage then it would still be trent probably. I Noticed I skipped a good chunk of d2 by accident though.

[pooka]

Jul 21, 2023 16:23:02 GMT CarnethystPhoenix said:

Jul 21, 2023 10:15:54 GMT pooka said:

Hi again

Where I do that

"not necessarily"

Well, yes, not necessarily. Cat says it's specifically Sage because of stuff, so I told her it may not necessarily be Sage.

Besides, I don't have an incentive to keep the identity of my teammate a secret from you, I would've happily told you both already - if GR didn't wag his fingers and tell me "no spoilers ;)".

[pooka]

Jul 21, 2023 16:28:18 GMT CarnethystPhoenix said:

I Haven't been paying much attention but if it isn't Sage then it would still be trent probably. I Noticed I skipped a good chunk of d2 by accident though.

I suggest you read D2. I think Cat will tell you the same, too. Quite the fun day, you missed out on a lot.

[Catventurer]

Jul 21, 2023 17:45:57 GMT pooka said:

Jul 21, 2023 16:23:02 GMT CarnethystPhoenix said:

"not necessarily"

Well, yes, not necessarily. Cat says it's specifically Sage because of stuff, so I told her it may not necessarily be Sage.

Besides, I don't have an incentive to keep the identity of my teammate a secret from you, I would've happily told you both already - if GR didn't wag his fingers and tell me "no spoilers ;)".

I would prefer not to have spoilers. It's more fun to try to figure it out with as little information as possible, which is why I actually like vanilla town.