GOG Mafia #76 Observer Thread (Lucas Arts)

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Jun 30, 2022 21:03:31 GMT Catventurer said:

edit -- I'm really not a fan of the new players are not lynched on day one no matter what thing.

Yeah from reading the previous game I thought it was more don't lynch/NK new players D1 without good reason.

And I'm kind of seeing a Buck/Hyper/ZFR team now.

[Dessimu]

Hmm... I wonder if my kill could have been redirected from someone else to me, by someone Town. If so - good job. Babark is scaring me a little. He could very well be a mafia rolestopper. And if he is mafia, Town is in trouble because unless Babark says something incriminating, Town will be hesitant to vote him "just because". Joe... It's not so much what he says, but the way he says things. Gives a feeling like he is on top of things, observing from above and blending in with the crowd. Gives an uneasy feeling. I would think him to be scum hust for that. Having just been in MU game, is a great opportunity for cover that he is actively using regardless of alignment.

[Dessimu]

Babark claims to have done nothing. If Town has roles, Mafia gots to have at least one too. If Babark is Town!rolestopper, mafia gots to have something serious, or 2 roles (I am considering 2 remaining scum), which is all the more reason for Town!Babark to use his role. To protect another townie from possibly getting killed, to say the least.

But more and more it looks like Babark is mafia.

Unless, he is lying about having not made any action, in which case he should have said nothing at all.

[Dessimu]

#752. Razza is not wrong. I am starting to believe that perhaps it's RW and Babark together? Mind you, for whatever reason, I am locked in my mind, that RW is scum.

[Dessimu]

Catte and AmbitionZ still abscent. AmbitionZ I understand. Catte is somewhat out of character

[Catventurer]

Jul 1, 2022 5:44:25 GMT Dessimu said:

Joe... It's not so much what he says, but the way he says things. Gives a feeling like he is on top of things, observing from above and blending in with the crowd. Gives an uneasy feeling. I would think him to be scum hust for that. Having just been in MU game, is a great opportunity for cover that he is actively using regardless of alignment.

The thing that I found odd with Joe was post #726. He voted to lynch babark even though he also says in the same post: "green tentacle's a good guy in both games iirc. I can't specifically remember singing."

It was revealed on page 2 of this thread that all mafia members were possessed by LucasArts villains but even without this direct knowledge, the clues are there:

- Buck: Manny Caavera, possessed by Purple Tentacle (mafia goon)

- Frost: Max, with the powers of Bobbin Threadbare (town copier)

- Cephy / Dessimu: Prof. Henry Jones Sr, no possession/powers (town vanilla)

If you think that a possession/power role is good-aligned, why vote to have it lynched? Either Joe isn't as on top of things as he gives you the feeling that he is or he's mafia.

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Assuming for the moment that babark isn't lying about having Green Tentacle's power, it doesn't mean that he is town-aligned. While Green is entirely a hero character in Day of the Tentacle, there are things that will cause him to kill your player character in Maniac Mansion even though Green is otherwise friendly.

[Dessimu]

(I reply via separate post, easier for me)

@cephy: that post (vote on Babark) by Joe is precisely why my last words were "I would vote Joe now". Struck me as odd, to re-vote a recently claimed, possible Town PR without more consideration. In this case, no-lynch may have been better than Babark's lynch. Best would have been to still lynch someone else.

[Catventurer]

Jul 1, 2022 15:55:08 GMT Dessimu said:

(I reply via separate post, easier for me)

@cephy: that post (vote on Babark) by Joe is precisely why my last words were "I would vote Joe now". Struck me as odd, to re-vote a recently claimed, possible Town PR without more consideration. In this case, no-lynch may have been better than Babark's lynch. Best would have been to still lynch someone else.

That post is why on page two of this thread, I said that I would vote for Joe or Hypersonic.

The thing that stuck out as odd to me with Hypersonic is that he comes off, to me at least, as someone who wants you to think that is on top of things in the same exact way that you get that feeling about Joe. He makes those long posts where he questions everyone/everything, even going to far as to question me when I ask asking someone if they meant HypersonicLive when they wrote HSL that only made me feel like I was being interrogated over absolutely nothing....

Yet in post #739, he doesn't say anything about this disconnect with Joe. He also doesn't comment on the fact that you said in 729 that you would vote for Joe now. Are they both mafia and Hypersonic is trying to not draw attention to Joe? Or is making mistakes?

Also in post #743, Joe is suddenly acting dumb when he's saying "can someone explain what this kill was? That can't have been the mafia kill?" I think he was referring to the night kill that took you out because otherwise someone might look back and see that your last post was that you'd vote for Joe at this point.

But there's been other odd things about this game -

Catte seems to have gone into witness protection.

babark's claim to have intentionally not use Green Tentacle's special power.

ZFR seems like another sharp one, but he's also made no comment about Joe or your last post and instead is more interested in razza.

RWarehall's post #744 is also weird and most of the time, I forget he's even in the game.

[Dessimu]

Any ideas on what dedoporno has in mind #756?

[CarnethystPhoenix]

That doesn't seem that odd to me. I Would think scum would be more likely to drop off the wagon as they know babark is town and staying on would incriminate them. I as scum personally would not have NK'ed babark myself as his role is apparently useless for the time being, and he offers the possibility of a future mislynch.

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Jul 1, 2022 16:28:01 GMT Catventurer said:

Jul 1, 2022 15:55:08 GMT Dessimu said:

(I reply via separate post, easier for me)

@cephy: that post (vote on Babark) by Joe is precisely why my last words were "I would vote Joe now". Struck me as odd, to re-vote a recently claimed, possible Town PR without more consideration. In this case, no-lynch may have been better than Babark's lynch. Best would have been to still lynch someone else.

That post is why on page two of this thread, I said that I would vote for Joe or Hypersonic.

The thing that stuck out as odd to me with Hypersonic is that he comes off, to me at least, as someone who wants you to think that is on top of things in the same exact way that you get that feeling about Joe. He makes those long posts where he questions everyone/everything, even going to far as to question me when I ask asking someone if they meant HypersonicLive when they wrote HSL that only made me feel like I was being interrogated over absolutely nothing....

Yet in post #739, he doesn't say anything about this disconnect with Joe. He also doesn't comment on the fact that you said in 729 that you would vote for Joe now. Are they both mafia and Hypersonic is trying to not draw attention to Joe? Or is making mistakes?

Also in post #743, Joe is suddenly acting dumb when he's saying "can someone explain what this kill was? That can't have been the mafia kill?" I think he was referring to the night kill that took you out because otherwise someone might look back and see that your last post was that you'd vote for Joe at this point.

But there's been other odd things about this game -

Catte seems to have gone into witness protection.

babark's claim to have intentionally not use Green Tentacle's special power.

ZFR seems like another sharp one, but he's also made no comment about Joe or your last post and instead is more interested in razza.

RWarehall's post #744 is also weird and most of the time, I forget he's even in the game.

I Agree about Hypersomniac, (not Hypersonic) but I wouldn't have used babark's claimed ability in this situation either. I Would refrain completely until someone flips Strongarm.

[Dessimu]

Catventurer. I think by now you noticed, we shorten nicknames very often, especially when spilling ideas in a post, or in a hurry.
• HypersomniacLive - HSL
• RWarehall - RW
• Dessimu - Dess (rare, but I accept (there was another player, Cristigale (we shortened her name to "Cristi") - she would always call me "Dessi")
• dedoporno - dedo
• LordCephy - Cephy
• detective_razza - Razza
• Lifthrasil - Lift
• flubbucket - flub
• adaliabooks - adalia
• JoeSapphire - Joe
• bucktoothgamer - buck
• FrostburnPhoenix - Frost
• my name is catte - Catte
• Microfish_1 - Micro
• Bookwyrm627 - Book
• yogsloth - yogs
• agentcarr16 - agent
• PookaMustard - Pooka/Pookina
• Robbeasy - Rob
• trentonlf - trent
• GameRager - GR
• Leonard03 - Leo
• Sage103082 - Sage
...
List would go on. This is just a few from the top of my head, past games, last games, current game and Administration thread page 1. I had a pleasure to play with almost all, if not all.

Oh, and about HSL - he questions like that everyone, every game. Always makes me feel like he might be mafia, but always looks like uber-town. Dedoporno likes to do good questioning too, similar to HSL.

[Catventurer]

Jul 1, 2022 16:52:41 GMT Dessimu said:

Oh, and about HSL - he questions like that everyone, every game. Always makes me feel like he might be mafia, but always looks like uber-town. Dedoporno likes to do good questioning too, similar to HSL.

Dedoporno seems like the less intense HSL if that makes sense.

And Catte finally showed up again (767)

[Dessimu]

Hmm... Now that everyone showed up and questions one another, it makes it easier to guess as to where everyone stands. RWarehall is not wrong in proposing the theory that my NK (night kill) may be a part of plan to frame RWarehall, or Babark. Thing is... Of all living players, only RWarehall and Babark have claimed. They both could be mafia, which would simply explain why both are alive. Going in this direction, Joe must be Town (I am rather lost when it comes to Neutrals), but then his game is wildly strange. Except for re-voting Babark (to put pressure to get answers) and asking if scum!Babark!rolestopper could have made these wild claims.

@joe. If you are reading this after game and you are/were Town - good instincts. But gameplay makes it hard to follow your lead, very confusing 😅

Scum!RWarehall is capable of assuming this situation from town!RWarehall's perspective. Heck, he straight up forward wrote it. But as he was "teaching" new players openly, my guess was that there was no scum Day chat available. And both Razza and Babark can't be scum with RWarehall, because that would make 3 after Buck, 4 total and that is too many. However, we can see that now RWarehall is protecting Babark. So, both scum? But then, why RW voted Babark yesterDay? Or he wasn't expecting for Babark to get to L-1.

And even if RWarehall is Town, I think it is dangerous to straight up disregard Babark maybe being mafia.

[Dessimu]

The way RW seems dead sure Babark is Town, is concernining. If I was alive, I would go after them both. With a hint of Joe.

Joe's challenge is amusing. And for the love of God, I can't tell if it's his Town way of scum-hunting, or Scum way of role-fishing.

[Dessimu]

By the way, about Joe. Before he voted Babark D2, he said dedoporno and Dessimu looked scummy to him. Dessimu flipped Town. Now Joe wants to "vig-shoot" dedoporno, if he could. How come no one is addressing this?

I think people should question:
• Joe's logic regarding dedoporno
• the way RWarehall straight up clears Babark
• the way RWarehall is trying to convince Town to lynch Razza, instead of questioning Razza directly and going for her lynch this way

[Dessimu]

And my final post "I would vote Joe now" was (in my eyes) clearly based on Joe re-voting Babark, who just claimed to maybe be useful Town PR, instead of going for a different lynch. We all were aware that Day is about to end. I think it was 2nd time during D2, where Joe's vote was steering towards No-Lynch rather than possible scum-lynch.

I don't know... Among RWarehall, Babark and Joe, at least one must be Town and I have no idea who.

[Dessimu]

Development!! Razza soft-claimed to have a PR, and to have taken actions during both Nights, and to have something on RWarehall! I am glued to the screen and believe Razza to be Town

[Dessimu]

I think I post too much here. Two things, after some thinking:

• Joe and RWarehall could be scum together. Main reasons:
•• the way Joe and RWarehall cross-posted each other, both saying RWarehall is motion detector
•• in one of his last posts, Joe presented that RWarehall is Town in his book
•• RWarehall pushing for Razza, clears Joe as possible Town, at least for toDay
•• RWarehall kept insisting that all Townies voted Bucktooth D1, because of how easy it would have been for any scum to jump off. Risky play if both scum busted their teammate (bear in mind, Buck was a goon though). But valuable strategy, to which RWarehall clings on, no matter his alignment. In other words, since D1, Town has a pool 4 suspects to lynch for 4 Days. No idea how my NK plays into it (anything we say he is just a theory in the end after all).
•• In this case, Babark being Town by process of elimination, makes sense why Joe re-voted Babark. Maybe makes sense why RWarehall went after Babark in the end? At this point, I feel like Cadaver, and think mafia team is super-uber-smart

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lifthrasil: a clearer and more strict deadline for the End of Day would be more comfortable. Although upon re-thinking that, some flexibility and vague idea on when the Day ends, does add some spice to it.

[Catventurer]

Jul 2, 2022 10:30:55 GMT Dessimu said:

I think I post too much here.

Don't worry about it. Also I'm in California, which means that I don't get online as soon as everyone else.

[Catventurer]

Jul 2, 2022 10:01:41 GMT Dessimu said:

And my final post "I would vote Joe now" was (in my eyes) clearly based on Joe re-voting Babark, who just claimed to maybe be useful Town PR, instead of going for a different lynch. We all were aware that Day is about to end. I think it was 2nd time during D2, where Joe's vote was steering towards No-Lynch rather than possible scum-lynch.

I don't know... Among RWarehall, Babark and Joe, at least one must be Town and I have no idea who.

Alternately, there's no town to be found here.

babark = neutral

Joe + RWarehall = mafia

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Jul 2, 2022 10:30:55 GMT Dessimu said:

I think I post too much here. Two things, after some thinking:

• Joe and RWarehall could be scum together. Main reasons:
•• the way Joe and RWarehall cross-posted each other, both saying RWarehall is motion detector
•• in one of his last posts, Joe presented that RWarehall is Town in his book
•• RWarehall pushing for Razza, clears Joe as possible Town, at least for toDay
•• RWarehall kept insisting that all Townies voted Bucktooth D1, because of how easy it would have been for any scum to jump off. Risky play if both scum busted their teammate (bear in mind, Buck was a goon though). But valuable strategy, to which RWarehall clings on, no matter his alignment. In other words, since D1, Town has a pool 4 suspects to lynch for 4 Days. No idea how my NK plays into it (anything we say he is just a theory in the end after all).
•• In this case, Babark being Town by process of elimination, makes sense why Joe re-voted Babark. Maybe makes sense why RWarehall went after Babark in the end? At this point, I feel like Cadaver, and think mafia team is super-uber-smart

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lifthrasil : a clearer and more strict deadline for the End of Day would be more comfortable. Although upon re-thinking that, some flexibility and vague idea on when the Day ends, does add some spice to it.

This looks very likely. Although Joe doesn't look scummy that easily could be him simply being a good player. I Still think Hyper is more likely than Joe though.

[The GOGFather]

Hmm. Maybe a strict deadline would help to increase the 'deadline panic'. But as a player I don't like the deadline reason for voting. As town it feels forced, as scum it feels lazy because it is so easy. I was hoping that by making the deadline softer, people would start earlier to make up their minds and not only start voting in earnest in the last hour.

But at the no moment the game is very slow. So the 'engage earlier in voting' doesn't seem to work.

[Dessimu]

Jul 2, 2022 14:50:28 GMT Catventurer said:

Jul 2, 2022 10:30:55 GMT Dessimu said:

I think I post too much here.

Don't worry about it. Also I'm in California, which means that I don't get online as soon as everyone else.

Nice. I am from Denmark. For example, it's 21:01h here now
...
Having read latest posts, I want to say:
• I like HSL's questioning. Think he is Town
• dedoporno seems as clueless as I am, plus Joe paired me with him, so I think dedo is Town
• I like ZFR's list to Joe's challenge. Sometimes ZFR looks crazy jumpy, but I haven't played with him in a long time, so don't know what to expect. Leans Town, with a hint of "might be scum because of strange acts from time to time".
• AmbitionZ strikes me as Town. Appears infrequently, but I appreciate the effort. Talks strong and simply doesn't seem to go against Town.
• Razza claims to have a role. For now I believe it, I think she is Town (based on nothing, really).
• Catte strikes me as Town. As HSL pointed out, the indifference Catte presented, strikes me from a comfort of being Town Vanilla.

By process of elimination, that leaves scum among Babark, Joe and RWarehall. I like how Joe presented some of the concerns I was having about Babark. I guess, I could see Town!Joe doing so. Which makes me come back to scum team of RWarehall and Babark.

...

Why Babark and RWarehall (claimed PRs) are alive?

• Both are mafia, duuh.
• Babark is mafia, so he is alive. Duuh. RWarehall is Town, but his power is confusing and uncertain in results, so no harm for Town. With so many players, there should be more Town Power roles, so good way to guess around and do a random NK. More importantly, if Babark is mafia, and is known that everyone's eyes are glued to both Babark and RWarehall during N2, then targeting someone other than RWarehall is safer (chance to avoid Town investigatives or blockers). Kill was done by unnamed scum.
• RWarehall is mafia. Duuh. Babark is Town. Same line of thought as previous point. Can't NK Babark, because he might target himself, or Town might investigate either one of them. Kill was done by unnamed scum.
• Both Babark and RWarehall are Town. Same line of thought as previous two. Mafia did not risk to get blocked or investigated. Therefore a random NK. Nothing in particular about me.


Which one of those 4 do you think is most likely? I say, 1.

[Dessimu]

Jul 2, 2022 19:02:14 GMT The GOGFather said:

Hmm. Maybe a strict deadline would help to increase the 'deadline panic'. But as a player I don't like the deadline reason for voting. As town it feels forced, as scum it feels lazy because it is so easy. I was hoping that by making the deadline softer, people would start earlier to make up their minds and not only start voting in earnest in the last hour.

But at the no moment the game is very slow. So the 'engage earlier in voting' doesn't seem to work.

For this game, I suggest to stick to softer deadline. Makes things more interesting. And last votes less organized. Often people start waiting for random miracles, counting minutes. This time, D2, we panicked and discussed things, which was great

[Dessimu]

CarnethystPhoenix. I think you said already, but what about HSL makes you think he is scum? Is there something else besides the serious tone of questioning?

[Dessimu]

By the way, a lot of people are much smarter and wittier players in Mafia than I am. Where people see facts and connections between them, I go by instinct and general feeling, comparing things from each individual to things as a whole. Like a fortune teller, but relying on overall psychology 😄 Also, my style is very "soloistic". Basically, in any game you can expect me to throw out a bunch of theories of how people connect to each other and looking for clues to support or negate them

[Dessimu]

By the way, lifthrasil, does Cadaver has a link to observer's thread? He seems to have been reading game at least once. Maybe ask if he would like to join?

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Jul 2, 2022 19:24:32 GMT Dessimu said:

CarnethystPhoenix . I think you said already, but what about HSL makes you think he is scum? Is there something else besides the serious tone of questioning?

The serious tone of questioning is great. I Had him pegged as town with dedo for a while because of that. But it seems like its not really particularly helpful. He also seems eager to mark someone otherwise suspicious as town for no particular reason.

I Also noticed that the miscount that nearly ended D1 in a NL stemmed from a post of Hyper's, but that is invalid as his post was correct but Joe seemingly misinterpreted it.

[CarnethystPhoenix]

Apparently ZFR was the one who corrected the miscount. I Can't see scum likely doing that.