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Post by Catventurer on Nov 6, 2022 17:46:01 GMT
if we take out catte tonight it lends credibility to scene's claim and if we can't get scene's lunch gives atlo another day of confirmations so i think we need to just go for atlo
Alternately, we take out Scene directly.
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 6, 2022 17:49:45 GMT
but if by some chance scene decides to double bluff for whatever reason, we get the cop and scene has to explain why he lives
dead scene on his own doesn't mean much for us
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 6, 2022 17:50:59 GMT
if we can make a really good guess who atlo is going to investigate i can try something spectacular
You mean kill whoever he investigates?
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 6, 2022 17:56:44 GMT
no i was thinking of something theatrical in terms of claiming my track
although killing who he investigated and trying to get him lunched for it is...
no actually that would never work. just a beautiful dream.
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Post by bucktoothgamer on Nov 6, 2022 18:08:09 GMT
I was also considering going for scene directly, only concern there is if he is a bomb type role.
A suggestion Joe. If questioned about your tracking results, maybe report no results and make them think scum has a roleblocker?
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 6, 2022 18:09:17 GMT
dangit telika recognised my Exquisite bluffe-double
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 6, 2022 18:10:49 GMT
nah i'll need something confirming if we have any chance of winning.
and if there's a blocker they would be blocking the cop
a blocker would be nice...
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Post by bucktoothgamer on Nov 6, 2022 18:15:44 GMT
Maybe people will suspect dedo more now since the fake cop "cleared" dedo. Idk just trying to pretend I didn't just throw the game for us.
Pooka you can't tell me I'm dead and to stop posting at any time.
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 6, 2022 18:17:26 GMT
but if by some chance scene decides to double bluff for whatever reason, we get the cop and scene has to explain why he lives dead scene on his own doesn't mean much for us
I'm looking at it from the point of view of if Alto and I were swapped - Like if the mafia team was Buck, Joe, Alto with me having just role revealed Cop to stop a lynch of Catte.
1. We now have two verified Town. 2. There is also a mystery Mason in the game.
The mafia team took out Az on Night One, which was unexpected as Az was someone that nobody would be watching. I'd expect them to do something similar on Night two and either take out Lift to try to frame Scene... or go for an even less obvious target like Yog, Dedo or Telika. In any case, I would anticipate that the mafia would want Scene alive on Day 3 with the wrong person dead.
This means that the person that I would investigate for Night 2 would be Scene in anticipation that the mafia is going to leave him alive to try to frame him on Day 3.
This would mean that on Night 3, we would have a verified town Scene with a bodyguard role protecting the Cop. The Cop would be alive for Day 4 to verify another person.
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Regardless of who we night kill, Alto will be investigating another person and revealing his findings on Day 3.
Also on Day three if we have three verified Town: Alto, Catte, Scene....
If I had the Mason role, this is exactly when I would role reveal to try to corner the remaining mafia.
I do think we are in a situation where Mafia cannot win.
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 6, 2022 18:29:15 GMT
Maybe people will suspect dedo more now since the fake cop "cleared" dedo. Idk just trying to pretend I didn't just throw the game for us.
I'm secretly rooting against us. Don't tell Joe.
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Post by bucktoothgamer on Nov 6, 2022 18:34:43 GMT
Pooka said I'm entitled to one bah post so here it is.
Note to self: false claims = death.
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 6, 2022 23:28:41 GMT
nah i'll need something confirming if we have any chance of winning. and if there's a blocker they would be blocking the cop a blocker would be nice...
JOE! I may have come up with a plan for us to win.
I'm going to do some research first.
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 6, 2022 23:41:00 GMT
"A Tracker is an investigative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed)." wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=TrackerYou're going to need to track me and reveal who I targeted. The easy thing is that because we're both mafia, you're going to know exactly who I targeted. I don't think that anyone will expect that the mafia team will make such a deliberate move, but it should buy you more than enough town cred to keep Alto from investigating you before you can take him out. The downside is that you're going to have to carry the game for team mafia afterwards while pretending to be Town Tracker. Also if the mafia team has a roleblocker, would that person be able to use their role blocker function AND perform a night kill?
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 7, 2022 0:00:16 GMT
Oh and the reason for tracking me is covered in Post #461: www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_78_regular_japanese_classroom/post461"catv - she's gone mad with apathy" You noticed something off about my mood at times. Once I'm revealed to be mafia, the town should hopefully turn on Lift on their own. The biggest challenge will be deciding who the night kill should be. I'll let you make the call, since you're going to have to carry the game after that. Not outing me right away can be covered by saying that you were hoping my remaining ally would say something revealing.
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 7, 2022 10:10:08 GMT
i don't think i can do it alone! ;,(
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 7, 2022 10:12:12 GMT
also, once i'm confirmed and proved dangerous to mafia they should kill me, they'll wonder (again) why i am not the night kill target
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 7, 2022 14:58:10 GMT
also, once i'm confirmed and proved dangerous to mafia they should kill me, they'll wonder (again) why i am not the night kill target
The same could be said of Scene. Why is he alive? Plus he was trying to prove that I'm mafia for bizarro reasons. Also because of what Dedo said, I'm convinced that Scene really does believe that I hopped on an airplane and am hiding out in Europe somewhere thus not really in California. I'd say that he's in more far danger of being lynched if Alto doesn't confirm him, but I also think that there's a very high chance that Alto is going to check him out and confirm him.
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 7, 2022 15:15:18 GMT
More importantly, do you want to stick with Yog for the night kill?
And if not Yog, who would you like for it to be?
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 8, 2022 9:06:01 GMT
i think if we kill anyone other than atlo they say 'why didn't they kill the cop? is it because scene is scum trying to avoid outing himself? no if that was the case they'd kill the cop and scene would claim to have been blocked or to have tried a double bluff'
then Day 3 we get lucky and lunch from ded/tel/lif (we're double lucky that atlo investigated scene, we're triple lucky that yog was the mason) then we nightkill catte let's say Day 4, if we've avoided atlo one of the surviving ded/tel/lif has been investigated but we manage to lunch the other and we've won
however if we're unlucky that yogs isn't the mason and/or atlo didn't investigate scene then we have no-one in the possible pool and you're dead. night 5 i kill someone and by this time surely i've been investigated but if not i'd have to convince a bunch of people that i am a tracker with no evidence i might get supremely lucky but i don't fancy the chances
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 8, 2022 9:12:56 GMT
oops - i miscounted we have to survive three more Days
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 8, 2022 9:28:14 GMT
no i'm wrong it is just two?
i'm trying to do analysis but brain no
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 8, 2022 9:28:24 GMT
if we go for atlo and get scene, we've got:
atlo investigates you atlo investigates me atlo investigates scene atlo investigates the mason atlo investigates elsewhere
we ALSO have 'scene tries to double bluff and protect elsewhere so atlo actually dies' but i think that is just a beautiful dream
you get copped, i gleefully provide you lunch, kill atlo somehow convince catte and the mason to lunch from yog/lift/dedo/tel, kill catte convince the mason to lunch again from the surviving unconfirmed of yog/lift/dedo/tel, kill mason, i win?? (i'm doing this making up convincing tracker reports and having no time to contribute too :p)
tbc
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 8, 2022 16:31:28 GMT
I think we need to face fact that Alto is going to be investigating me either right now or on night three. You're going to need to be very careful about what you're saying on Day 3. I think he's going to be watching everyone and may not out me right away to give the third mafia member a chance to reveal themselves to them. I know that I wouldn't.
Also a few thoughts to help you pass as town longer:
1. Don't act too gleeful about lynching if this isn't your normal behavior. Behave as you normally would.
2. Don't pretend that you're role blocked at all ever so long as Scene and Alto are alive. If I was a mafia role blocker, I would just keep role blocking Scene every single night then take people out as follows: - Night 2: Alto - Night 3: Dedo, Tel, Lift or Yog
Scene says a lot of weird things as if he's campaigning to be the Mayor of Wacky Town. I'd just keep blocking him and take other people out around him so that the town could waste their time lynching him for still being alive.
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Anyway, I need to go take a shower. I have a doctor appointment that I need to get ready for due to a mole that changed its shape. They'll probably scrape it off.
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 8, 2022 17:14:18 GMT
pooka - can one of us get upgraded to a roleblocker? thanks <3
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 8, 2022 17:14:51 GMT
good luck with the doctor's catv x
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 8, 2022 19:31:06 GMT
good luck with the doctor's catv x
I'm back! Doctor took pictures and sent them over to dermatology for them to check it out.
It was one of those red moles, which are made of blood vessels and almost always benign... still a good idea to have it checked if it looks different even though it's extremely extremely rare for them to be cancerous.
Oh yea, and since it's technically night time, I'm selecting "March of the Profane" from Crypt of the Necrodancer as tonight's murdering theme music:
We need to get on the topic of who we're inviting to join us in the Dance Battle Disco of Death. I'm seeing no option except to play chicken with Scene and go after Alto directly. Either we get Alto because the bodyguard screws up or we get the bodyguard.
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 8, 2022 19:34:15 GMT
pooka - can one of us get upgraded to a roleblocker? thanks <3
Pooka - While we're at it, can I suggest that Joe be upgraded to Mafia Tracker. It would really help us out with the role claim he made. I'll take mafia roleblocker.
Thanks! Love you <3 <3 <3
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 9, 2022 8:20:23 GMT
I agree! Atlo is our only option. Shall I?
rough atlo up some
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Post by joesapphire on Nov 9, 2022 8:21:25 GMT
((there's no harm in you tryingto roleblock scene - pooka might forget that we weren't provided that ability))
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Post by Catventurer on Nov 9, 2022 14:50:31 GMT
((there's no harm in you tryingto roleblock scene - pooka might forget that we weren't provided that ability))
I'm not going to insult Pooka by trying to do that.
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