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Post by The GOGFather on Jul 25, 2022 20:50:20 GMT
Hello!
This is your mason chat. You're allowed to make one introductory post here to say hi but nothing more in terms of discussions, planning, instructions, etc.
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Post by The GOGFather on Aug 1, 2022 17:38:46 GMT
It is now Night 1.
You may start posting in this thread.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 17:43:10 GMT
So yeah, Joe is scum. I'm going to take another look at razza sometime.
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Post by pooka on Aug 1, 2022 17:43:35 GMT
Hi Frostburn. Damn, what a Day this was. I'm not too happy we had to claim masons, but if neither of us didn't scene would have escaped. It was very hard getting to convince everyone he's scummy and needs a bonk on the head.
Anything you want to share? Any questions on your mind?
I'm also not happy you were the second and even the most desirable wagon, but I guess I also didn't do much besides the breadcrumb and trying to convince people scene was the better lynch.
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Post by pooka on Aug 1, 2022 17:45:29 GMT
Tell me why you think Joe is scum and I'm with you. Won't be weird if both of us sing the same song anymore.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 17:51:28 GMT
Tell me why you think Joe is scum and I'm with you. Won't be weird if both of us sing the same song anymore. Scene said he genuinely believed them to be tragic lovers. That could be a lie, but Joe's posts at the end of day sound like he's giving up.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 17:54:37 GMT
"piss, that didn't go as hoped" <- Joe
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 17:55:42 GMT
Oh that was before the flip. forget everything I said.
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Post by pooka on Aug 1, 2022 18:14:16 GMT
Yeah, if Joe is scum, then Catventurer would be scum too. Unless there's some bastardy stuff going on but I doubt.
Also if they're Town, Mafia would be stupid not to off them. If Koba is Town, then Mafia has three townies less before D2 starts. Not good news.
Let me run the numbers. 12 players...so generally it's three mafiosos...at 8 players we'd have 6 townies (three less) and 2 mafia (one less).
But if Koba is Mafia then this should be in the bag. I hope so.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 18:41:25 GMT
Yeah, if Joe is scum, then Catventurer would be scum too. Unless there's some bastardy stuff going on but I doubt. Also if they're Town, Mafia would be stupid not to off them. If Koba is Town, then Mafia has three townies less before D2 starts. Not good news. Let me run the numbers. 12 players...so generally it's three mafiosos...at 8 players we'd have 6 townies (three less) and 2 mafia (one less). But if Koba is Mafia then this should be in the bag. I hope so. Wait, why would Catv be scum?
Vitek will be the NK undoubtedly. Plus, if they are town, it's beneficial for scum to leave them around until the end because they are worth together less than one vanilla townie.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 18:44:16 GMT
Joe affirmed that he had no clarification of Catv's alignment and Catv considered the possibility of Joe being scum.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 19:07:08 GMT
What do you think of #47 and #58? I Let Catv off the hook because we clashed the previous game but I never saw a good defense.
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Post by pooka on Aug 1, 2022 19:18:39 GMT
Yeah, if Joe is scum, then Catventurer would be scum too. Unless there's some bastardy stuff going on but I doubt. Also if they're Town, Mafia would be stupid not to off them. If Koba is Town, then Mafia has three townies less before D2 starts. Not good news. Let me run the numbers. 12 players...so generally it's three mafiosos...at 8 players we'd have 6 townies (three less) and 2 mafia (one less). But if Koba is Mafia then this should be in the bag. I hope so. Wait, why would Catv be scum?
Vitek will be the NK undoubtedly. Plus, if they are town, it's beneficial for scum to leave them around until the end because they are worth together less than one vanilla townie.
If they leave them alive for D2 we'll inevitably have those fun discussions. I remember one of the previous games where there were a pair of masons, but one of them was acting scummy. So they were lynched, and...they flipped town mason. A type of scenario where no mafioso eat it. Vitek made a big mess about me asking scene about if he can self-protect, keep that in mind. That could influence our scumteam.
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Post by pooka on Aug 1, 2022 19:28:19 GMT
What do you think of #47 and #58? I Let Catv off the hook because we clashed the previous game but I never saw a good defense. Yeah, if it's about Catv and the contradiction, I don't see it. Actually I went back to the literal previous game and I don't see where he went "too eager" and "hmpf" before. He says it explicitly that people who played in that game would understand, but I really don't see it unless I have to scroll down his entire ISO. If the lovers stay alive, that might be worth poking, cause I don't know where to look and he should point us. Catv's first post in the previous game was #76 btw, so yeah I still don't see the contradiction, but what I'm worried about is his other remark, the people who played with me before bit.
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Post by pooka on Aug 1, 2022 19:34:19 GMT
Joe affirmed that he had no clarification of Catv's alignment and Catv considered the possibility of Joe being scum. I saw Joe claiming he doesn't know if Catv was Town. Pretty weird. Cause I know for a fact you're Town, but why not Joe? I can't find where Catv considers that Joe could be scum. Is it #255?
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 20:03:17 GMT
According to mafiascum wiki lovers that have confirmation of each other's alignment are called siblings instead.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 20:05:13 GMT
Yes #255.
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Post by pooka on Aug 1, 2022 20:19:10 GMT
#255 sounded more like a hypothetical to me, like "if you don't believe I am Town, try this". I'll give it a re-read tomorrow.
So about the lover stuff, that means Joe and Catventurer could be on separate factions. Fun. But let's say one of them is scum. Who would be the other?
Oh yes, and since we know scene was scum, it's prudent to check everyone's interactions with the guy. Especially Catventurer and Joe.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 1, 2022 20:21:36 GMT
What do you think of #47 and #58? I Let Catv off the hook because we clashed the previous game but I never saw a good defense. Yeah, if it's about Catv and the contradiction, I don't see it. Actually I went back to the literal previous game and I don't see where he went "too eager" and "hmpf" before. He says it explicitly that people who played in that game would understand, but I really don't see it unless I have to scroll down his entire ISO. If the lovers stay alive, that might be worth poking, cause I don't know where to look and he should point us. Catv's first post in the previous game was #76 btw, so yeah I still don't see the contradiction, but what I'm worried about is his other remark, the people who played with me before bit. The "too eager" and "hmpf" were from this game. The other quote was from the previous game. This game, he claims to dislike RVS. The previous game he participated in RVS. I Should add post #76 paragraph 2 of the previous game as evidence I guess. He said "We're on day 1, so there's no real reason to vote for anyone at this point." after voting.
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Post by pooka on Aug 2, 2022 7:36:15 GMT
I see now.
Overall, not a very strong thing to worry about when it comes to scumhunting. You could probably catch me on one of these contradictions as Town in both games.
I think I should take a look at the scene wagon after I put down my vote in #251. People frequently switched between him and others at that point. If you got adalia fundamentals, you can search by username using only "dedoporno" to view the votecounts.
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Post by pooka on Aug 2, 2022 9:30:04 GMT
#286 supplementscene 1 - PookaMustard(#251)
#322 #334 #342 #355 supplementscene 3 - PookaMustard (#251), Catventurer (#294), Ambiti0nZ (#315)
#365 supplementscene 2 - PookaMustard (#251), Ambiti0nZ (#315)
#378 #387 supplementscene 4 - PookaMustard (#251), Ambiti0nZ (#315), Catte (#369), Catventurer (#373)
#396 supplementscene 5 - PookaMustard (#251), Ambiti0nZ (#315), Catte (#369), Catventurer (#373), Vitek (#392)
#426 supplementscene 6 - PookaMustard (#251), Ambiti0nZ (#315), Catte (#369), Catventurer (#373), Vitek (#392), JoeSapphire (#404)
#482 Final supplementscene 7 - PookaMustard (#251), Ambiti0nZ (#315), Catte (#369), Catventurer (#373), Vitek (#392), JoeSapphire (#404), FrostburnPhoenix (#454)
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Post by pooka on Aug 2, 2022 9:38:05 GMT
Okay I don't see anything interesting about the vote changes. The only thing worth mentioning is in #365: FrostburnPhoenix 5 - supplementscene (#269), detective_razza (#320), Lifthrasil (#331), Catte (#344), Catventurer (#362)
It was a short detour on his part before he returned to Scene, otherwise, umm, it was really hard to get people on the scene wagon. Since we know Vitek risked a CC and both of us are Town: supplementscene 7 - Ambiti0nZ (#315), Catte (#369), Catventurer (#373), JoeSapphire (#404)
Yeah, I can't see any bussing going on here. At least not yet.
---- BTW, if I didn't know you were Town, I (and many others) would've suspected you on D2 for your reluctance to hammer Scene. It did feel like you're their scumbuddy but unsure if you wanted to continue the rest of the game with one less teammate or save him at all costs. I know you're for real back then, but we wouldn't in the next game. ;)
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Post by pooka on Aug 2, 2022 9:53:27 GMT
Before #322, razza was on the scene wagon and then went to you. Interesting.
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Post by pooka on Aug 2, 2022 9:59:49 GMT
JoeSapphire #330Yeah I completely forgot that pairing happened. Anyway, in that same breath, he says Sure, we can give Joe a look, see his uhh, chemistry with scene and lift. We know he has history with Catventurer.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 2, 2022 15:40:26 GMT
scene said: "I genuinely did think Cat and Joe were a seperate faction though." (#468)
Either he's lying, or one of them is scum. They could even be tragic lovers as he suspected. I Would like to know if it looks like a natural slip to you.
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Post by pooka on Aug 2, 2022 17:39:38 GMT
I don't think it's a slip. You don't reveal your buddies on the way out for fun.
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Post by pooka on Aug 2, 2022 20:09:15 GMT
#94 Joe calls scene's #84 "yeah this is town." In #184 he likes "his ponderings this game" #162 koba has scene as second towniest (you're first and I'm third)
Now this is all prior to my vote so no one felt the need
#290 catte lists him as the last option he'd like to vote for, "not a strong motivation to lunch" but better than the unlisted people #294 Catventurer seems ultra convinced scene is Mafia. Nevermind he revotes scene later. #295 is razza's initial vote
I'll continue this later or something.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 3, 2022 2:54:45 GMT
#425. DkKoba may be scum? if so we won't know for sure until after the game.
If both Joe and Catv are scum then we could easily have 4 scum right?
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 3, 2022 2:56:20 GMT
...Except if they are both scum then they could be completely lying about being lovers.
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Post by CarnethystPhoenix on Aug 3, 2022 5:00:04 GMT
I Think lift is town now.
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